I wanted him to be cautious so he does not trigger a relapse.

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Bnstmd,

Have you seen the post about Atlas instability posted a few weeks ago ? Here is the thread.
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/sh...97#post1187597[/QUOTE]


i agree 100% for him to be cautious as we all should because we all know our own bodies better then anyone...at least with me, one wrong move and it is costly...

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i had not see that before...thanks for the read...you are always very generous...

your posts on MM were too in depth for me to read them all...if nothing else, you are informed...i sure don't claim to be...

i might post this as a new thread if i get the gumption, but i am headed to nerve decompression along my entire cervical spine C2-C7 both sides and beyond. after researching the heck out of it, it could help me a lot because there is most likely compression of my vagas nerve as well which has wreeked havoc. it's a mess up there right now and getting worse as movement ain't my thing and that just is compounding problem on top of problem on top of problem...

throw a dart to see the med of the day: more steroids? more narcotics? pain patch? lidocain spray up the nose? (that resembles the feeling of using cocaine...not that i would know...)

this has been a wild ride...

remember that feeling when you were on a roller coaster as a kid and as soon as it started you knew you hated it so very much and it was all you could do to hang on and pray it would stop NOW so you can get off...and when it came to a stop, you could not believe you survived it?

but what if you can't get off?

for 2 1/2 years...

God Bless you my friend. you help a lot of people.

Actually there's no correlation between legalization and teen use. Teens don't purchase from dispensaries, but rather friends that deal.
http://www.jhsph.edu/news/news-relea...ilability.html

As a daily card-carrying medical marijuana user (for neuropathy pain) I feel the need to jump into conversations regarding marijuana. It reduces my pain by 50-60% in an INSTANT. My rx's don't do much of anything for my condition. I have told my GP, Neurologist and pain dr and they all said they were glad it works for me and to continue if it helps.

I have a hard time with the 'teen use', 'driving while high' etc etc arguments that are still floating around. Its an adult product (like alcohol) and people should use it responsibly. I feel like these points are lazy rebuttals against the use of marijuana, when in fact they have no relevance to these discussions. They merely keep out-dated stereotypes alive and demonize what may turn out to be the safest drug we have ever ingested.

If your really concerned about youth, research the effects of alcohol use on the developing mind and the dangers to society. Or the nearly 10 teaspoons of sugar in a can of coke.

Nothing personal, Mark in Idaho, its become a hot button with me lately.

Surfer,

You need to reread that study. It says all use of drugs and such is down among youth and has been going down since 1999. The early reports showed that youth had increased access to marijuana from those old enough to buy from dispensaries. This recent study is brand new, Sept 2015 but with data collected in 2013 and earlier. "The longer those laws are in place, Johnson says, the more likely there could be an effect on marijuana use among teens — even though it is technically illegal to use pot under age 21. Johnson and her colleagues are studying the laws in Colorado and Washington state, whose laws went into effect November 2012 and over 2013, respectively." They do not yet know the true answer but they do expect there to be a difference in use among teens.

I know the problems with adolescent use of alcohol. It has similar problems to regular use of marijuana by adolescents except marijuana causes an increase in permanent psychological problems from regular use. The key long term risk factor for youth drinking is due to binge drinking and alcoholism. Regular moderate drinking does not have near the long term consequences as marijuana. Both marijuana and alcohol are dangerous for youth. Marijuana (THC) is a more of a psychoactive hallucinogenic drug. Alcohol is more a neuro-depressant with hallucinogenic action at acute levels.

Apparently, you have not read my other posts about marijuana. I am not against marijuana. CBD has great promise. Low dose THC does too. The neuropathic pain used of marijuana is also known. Using marijuana to get high has its questions.

I am anti-alcohol to a buzzed or altered state. Besides, it is well known that alcohol and PCS do not co-exist well. I lived through Connecticut's experiment with an 18 drinking age and the injury and death toll.

Most brains under 25 years old do not tolerate any intoxicants well.

But, my point that was a compromised brain due to concussion that is already showing improvements could be put at risk with recreational marijuana use. As you noted marijuana is not a healing treatment but an ongoing treatment.

Has anyone ever tried that hemp oil to get relief of neuropathy pain in you feet? I'm to the point I'll try anything. I saw a show on TV last night and they say it can even cure cancer. If that works that would me a miracle.


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You might want to ask your question in the Neuropathic pain forum. Be careful with hemp oil from industrial hemp. Much of the available help oil is from China and grown with more chemicals than are allowed here. If you are asking about CBD oil, there is domestic CBD oil that is refined from marijuana rather than industrial hemp. Industrial hemp is still strictly limited in the US.

Hemp oil is also not legal in all areas.

Please be aware that there are many claims made based on limited anecdotal evidence. The research is just getting started.

The main point I wanted to make (but didn't) is I really don't care about access by teens. Not in terms of legalization or medical uses. Teens (like myself in the 70's) have no trouble getting pot in any state. If legalization increases use by teens, then it needs to be dealt with, but not part of this dialogue.

Again, this is kind of a hot button for me. I feel like some tired stories are still floating around about the dangers of pot that are completely inappropriate when discussing its usefulness, legality or dangers. Some people have a FIT at the idea of marijuana legalization (even medical) as they drink their glass of wine.

It appears you know about the subject and again I was refuting what I took as marijuana-bashing, when in reality it was part of a more complex discussion that I wasn't privy about. Sorry about that!

Btw, CBD is useful in many situations but does nothing for my pain. THC is my friend when I start hurting.

Mark,

Do you suggest that intermittent use of THC among teenagers can cause permanent psychological damage?

Mild activation of the CB1 receptor is not worse than mild activation of GABA receptors.

While excessive CB1 agonism has been shown to cause acute psychosis, there is no evidence that it causes schizophrenia. The only people who get schizophrenia from CB1 agonists are people who have a genetic predisposition to it.

Cannabis in general is a lot less dangerous than Alcohol if used intermittently. I've read studies about the subject and have not seen mentioning of long-term consequences to increased activation of CB1 receptors during adolescence.

Of course, heavy use of Cannabis is detrimental, but saying that moderate use of Cannabis causes permanent damage is an exaggeration.

The studies showed that regular use during adolescence can cause permanent psychological issues. It did not say heavy use. I don't follow the receptor issues, just the broader concepts. This same study from over 5 years ago was repeated recently with the same results.

Both alcohol and marijuana, if used to get intoxicated during adolescence are problematic. But, they each effect the brain differently so it is difficult to compare them.

Google adolescent use of cannabis and you will find lots of negative information. The developing brain is not very tolerant of cannabis since it is psychoactive even in modest amounts. That is the purpose. THC supplants the naturally occurring anandamide on the CB1 receptors. What ever you have found was not the full story.

The adolescent brain is actually more tolerant of moderate alcohol during development years. It's greater risk is life and death on the road. Heavy alcohol use effects the brain in a psychoactive way and become dangerous to development.

I'm not suggesting anything about use of marijuana by youth. I'm just passing on the research I have read.

there's a lot to think about, and i think both of you guys are right and here's why:

kids that want to smoke pot will. period. we have 7 kids. we've been there.

they're older now, but as a parent, i drug tested my kids for pot use. i did not want them driving my motor vehicle if they tested positive in addition to Mark's points about the developing brain...they hated it. i didn't care.

fast forward to my mtbi and my 2 reasons that i smoke (at bedtime and to STOP a rage in it's tracks...it works for me very, very well): i was afraid to tell my kids that i smoke, even if everyone else knew...all my docs, my wife, my parents...but it turns out to be no big deal. both of them no longer smoke at all by choice. kind of one of those ironic things in life that makes me chuckle sometimes...

studies can take number and interpret it many ways. perhaps studies show teen pot use has risen in states where it has been legalized is because it's not that big of a deal admit it and to be open about it...at least not here in colorado...

you should see the university of colorado at 4:20 PM on April 20th...it's amazing to see because the cops all know about it...my wife worked for the Boulder police and they were not gonna do a thing about it...such is life in colorado nowadays...

and i don't like that kind of stuff one bit. recreational use without limits by teens is irresponsible, we all agree. i do not smoke recreationally...recreational use at home by adults is fine if one chooses...

to promote teen use as they do on April 20th (of course it is the lead story on the news i no longer watch) is irresponsible.

my point is parents should do all they can to prevent young minds from partaking...

as an adult, it has proven effective for many. but don't believe anyone that tells you the oils will cure cancer...that is irresponsible as well...

an interesting, semi-related sidenote:

to take the comedy in colorado a step farther, my wife own's a corporation. as an officer, all her medical expenses are reimbursed. for her and her family. and i am a legal, card carrying member that can, and does purchase. and it is a legitimate business expense. we know. we were audited for 3 years and the IRS picked that reimbursement plan apart. in the end, we won. we owed zero. 100% legally audited by the man.

you gotta admit it. that's kind of funny...

God Bless and Próspero Año Nuevo!

Brainstemmed

I was just in Denver for vacation and ended up smoking a strain called Harlequin which is a high CBD low THC strain and I didn't really feel the pain relief that many have praised it for. I will say that it didn't have a negative effect either, if anything I just enjoyed it and got some stress relief out of it and maybe a little pain relief but it was not a magic/miracle pain relief as some have made it out to be. Maybe I needed to smoke more of it or more often but that was my experience. Maybe its different for different people.