I'm not sure why I'm writing this, but I feel like it might assuage my anxiety a bit, so here it goes.

I've travelled to Toronto (on 4 hours from where I live) for a couple of weeks before the new semester starts to try a course of laser therapy from Dr. Kahn's clinic (featured in The Brain's Way of Healing). I just arrived yesterday, found a cheap place to stay, and was planning on getting treatment and taking it easy for a couple weeks.

This morning was my second treatment. I'm laying face down with my face in a cradle, and a therapist applies the LED lights to various positions on my neck/brainstem (preliminary to actual laser treatments). The lights are on this flexible hard plastic band, with hard plastic handles. When the therapist was moving the bands, she hit my skull, just above the neck, with enough force to be very startling. I asked her to be gentler as my head is sensitive (why I don't say this to every person who comes within a foot of my head I don't know). I don't think it was that hard of a hit, but it's hard to say exactly.

After I asked her to be gentler I started getting the spinning dizzy sensation I get when lying down with my eyes closed, fairly extreme, and my body sort of felt "out of sorts" in a spiny, disoriented kinda way. This probably lasted for a couple minutes, and then I calmed down. I should add that I got this sensation during the first treatment with my head in that position, to a much lesser extent, so it's not totally new.

Can this kind of dizziness be caused by a spike in anxiety? It hurts now where she bumped it, which I get, and can happen with me even in a near miss, but I'm worried this spike of dizziness means that this was a significant impact, and I'm sort of quietly freaking out about it. I'm all alone in Toronto for the next two weeks, and this isn't how I wanted this "healing time" to start.

The past few months have been relatively more difficult for me head-wise and anxiety-wise, and my ability to just be with and let go of my anxiety is waning a little, although I generally recover from spikes in anxiety.

Yes, dizziness can be caused by a spike in anxiety. Plus, having your eyes closed removes the visual sensation that you are not moving or spinning so your only sense of movement is your vestibular system. Anxiety puts this system into overdrive as it tries to make sense.

Have you ever considered hypnotherapy to try to learn to not respond so severely to a contact with your head ? These upsetting contacts appear to be far below any threshold of pain or injury.

Did you see my post about LED Technologies products ? They offer the same wavelengths (Low infrared, near infrared and infrared) as Dr Kahn's products and clinic.

http://revivelighttherapy.com/collections/pain-relief

Mark, somehow missed your post. I have in fact tried hypnotherapy, probably 7 sessions. Did not provide much benefit other than feeling fairly relaxed. I'm currently trying EMDR to help with this. I'm getting better at brushing off impacts that I can believe are benign, but this one seemed more significant, perhaps because it was so startling since I was trying to relax, I don't know, but given how I've felt the past couple days it's worse than other minor impacts, which normally just manifest in pain where I hit/thought I hit my head.

Thanks for the LED info. While this step is part of Kahn's protocol, it's not the whole thing. A series of LED treatments appear to be a sort of "warm-up", saturating the tissues with light, before applying something more like a laser-pointer that is an actual laser, not just LED. Whether this makes a significant difference, who knows.

Laser or LED based near infrared does not make a difference. The light wave is the same. Laser just means the beam of light is narrow. Problem is there is only so much light energy the tissue can tolerate. My PT has a laser based light therapy system that can be set to different wavelengths. The LED based systems have LEDs with the specific wavelength fixed with a small variation. In LEDs, 660 nm, 830 nm & 840 nm wavelengths would be something like 655 to 665 nm, 825 to 835 nm, and 835 to 845 nm. In Laser Diodes the specific wave length is achieved. The research does not show a difference in therapeutic value.

The laser is actually a Laser Diode as compared to Light Emitting Diode. The difference is primarily the lens and focus of the light. The technical differences would not make a difference in a therapeutic situation. The effective use of LED is within 10% or less of Laser Diode. If you needed to aim at a very small target, Laser would be better. But, the therapeutic use of near infrared light therapy is over a large area so the narrow focus is not necessary.

It looks like there is some selling the sizzle at Kahn's clinic.

The key issue I think you need to deal with is the risk level of impacts. Your startle response likely causes more G force than almost any of these impact that are causing your concern. Even the G force of your startle head jerks would be well below the threshold of injury unless you were jerking your head back and forth repeatedly.

You may benefit from some touch desensitization training. This would be something like sitting or laying with your eyes closed as someone touches you at random spots on your head and neck. Then, over time, that contact force is increased from a finger touch to a finger tap to a finger snap to a drop of an empty plastic water bottle on your head. Some of these touches would be without warning and some would have a warning. "I'm going to tap my finger on your head." This would be a sort of phobia conditioning program. A phobia specialist could lead you through this.

The same could be done with sounds to reduce your sound triggered startle.

EMDR is for PTSD by attempting to separate the memories from the response. I don't understand how it can help you with anxiety. It was offered to me after I was assaulted combined with some mental reprogramming to see the assaulter's position.

Some low level lasers have multiple diodes to treat larger areas.. Many were developed for veterinarians first.. so horses, cows etc.. probably race or show horses brought it into play because of a big money sport..and no drugs allowed for certain sport/competitions.

The one my chiro used had a 2-3" head , so multiple diodes , I didn't look at it more closely or get the brand name, I was just happy it worked so fast to reduce/stop my pain...

There is the faster treatment time frame to consider with low level laser vs LED light.
per area - laser -20-30 seconds vs LED 20/30 mins. or more.

* I'm comparing the time frames for me - to my elbow, shoulder, wrist, neck etc- the low level laser was so fast..
For head injury might be a different thing totally.

I bought a Light Relief Infrared Pain Relief Device years ago - http://www.amazon.com/Light-Relief-I...dp/B000GAAANG0
It did not even come close to comparing to the Low level laser relief for me.
I could not tell the pain was less , the warming felt good, it probably did something good inside , but not a " wow, it doesn't hurt anymore"...
Of course low level laser prices start @ 1000.00 or so .. so I'm still waiting for the price to drop..

From the information they publish, the Light Relief system you purchased is nothing like the LED Technologies system, in both power or wavelength. Light Relief is broad spectrum infrared. It is basically old school. 450-495 nm, 620-750 nm, 750-1000 nm. (4 blue, 31 red and 24 infrared)
The valuable wave length is near infrared.

The 848 nm wavelength is targeted by the latest technology.

The Light Relief system is just a low power penetrating heat system using broad spectrum heat.. The laser system sounds like it was a higher power deep heat system. My chiro used a system like than on my back in the early 90's.

The technology of targeting the wavelength has greatly improved the results. It appears Dr Kahn started with a broader spectrum wavelength and may now be more targeted. He alludes to a dual function, short term and longer term response. His information says his LED systems alternate wavelengths. The Laser diode probes do only one wavelength. It is frustrating to understand these systems with limited technical specifications. Lots of selling the sizzle. Not much real data.

The LED Technologies system is not to be used for more than 14 minutes twice a day. The near infrared systems at the targeted 848 nm, even Laser Diode, trigger the mytochondria for cell growth and repair. Results do not manifest for a week or two after many repeated treatments. It has 56 848 nm LEDs and 4 red LEDs. If you want a different wavelength for the other benefits, it requires a separate LED emmitting head.

The low level laser therapy systems used by local chiros and PTs provide quick warmth and pain relief. They use obvious visible red light, not the invisible near infrared. That would not be the same as the slow mitrochondria based improvements of near infrared wavelengths.

I'd be interested if Laupala can get some technical specs of the system they use. Wavelength, power, etc.

Laupala,
I am a few hours to Toronto, my physio in October began Laser therapy similar to what you describe. She had travelled to Toronto for instruction on how to use the equipment and was very excited that this might be of help for me. I have had over 20 treatments. The treatments had very little benefit. The therapist and I agreed that it was not successful. My husband had laser on his shoulder and had results and my physio said that the clinic are attended touted good success for concussion and head pain.

Like you I was dizzy and disoriented when I finished each treatment. I do not how expensive the treatments are and was thankful I did not have to pay for it. There was not really any improvement for me. I hope that you have better success.

Hi Almost,

Thanks for the response. I should clarify, I don't think I was dizzy and disoriented in response to the treatment itself. I get mildly dizzy when my head is in that position normally anyway, and experienced some of that my first visit, and then experienced fairly extreme (for me) dizziness and brief dis-orientation after the therapist bumped my head.

I'm anxious that this somewhat immediate effect means that this bump was a significant one that could have caused damage of some kind. Paradoxically, I'm all the more anxious because I don't want to be anxious starting off this treatment, to give it the best chance to work.


As far as my response to the 2 treatments themselves, so far it's just been feeling more tired, which could be expected after a 4 hour drive, and then being much more anxious today, but I think that's in response to the head bump, not the treatment itself. Someone else on NT also had a less than great experience with laser therapy, so it's good to have the clinic's positivity tempered with some realism. Still, I'm hopeful it might help. They're also working on a hamstring injury that predates the concussion, so even if it provides little head relief, hopefully it'll help the hamstring.

Yesterday I continued to feel progressively worse headache-wise, with pain not just restricted to where I was hit yesterday, but mainly on my top-of-the-head headaches, which were quite worse. I haven't had any more dizziness since the bout shortly after the head bump. Cognitively I feel a little more drained, but this could be explained by a spike in anxiety.

Emotionally I'm not doing so great, cycling through bouts of anxiety, crying, and feeling ok. I was hopeful that this could provide some relief (certainly not putting all my eggs in its basket so to speak, but hopeful that at least two weeks of refocusing just on my health could give me a boost before starting teaching). Now I'm worried that I won't be able to distinguish whether my dip in feeling good is from the head bump, and if so, how bad was it, or if I'm having an adverse reaction to the treatment. It doesn't help that I'm all alone in Toronto (and the weather is gloomy all week!).

Am I just freaking out needlessly? I guess that's a stupid question, as even if the bump did damage freaking out about it is always needless. The initial dizziness after the bump has me worried given that immediate symptoms like that are a sign of a concussion, but part of my also thinks that a spike in anxiety could cause them too. Any insight on this?

Have you ever tried meditation or mindfulness? They both have helped me to filter out unneeded (irrational and unhealthy) thoughts. A lot of people associate meditation as being something weird, but I think of it as a practice to help strengthen my mind. After doing it for a while, I can say that it is something I look forward to. Meditation has a number of health benefits including increased blood flow and dopamine release.

I also live mostly in the present now. I used to be depressed about the past and anxious about the future. Mindfulness allows me to be in the present and has helped me to be aware of my thoughts and discern if they are healthy or rational. I can better "move on" from events that can provoke anxiety. I encourage you to look into meditation and mindfulness if you haven't. It's best to start meditating with a guided audio/video. There are many on YouTube. Don't be discouraged if it's "hard" to do at first. If it is, then it means you're strengthening your "mental muscles." Struggle can be good. Additionally, there is no right or wrong way to meditate. Find what works for you. Lastly, it's easiest to do if you're a little tired. The morning, mid-afternoon, and before bed work best for me.

I too have the sensitivity to bumps and movements. I have found recently that exercise has helped with this. Sometimes all that I do is go up and down the stairs a few times to get my heart rate up. But if exercise makes symptoms worse, I've found it's best to tone it down to a level. Also, curcumin helps a little.

Hope this helps!
-Jake