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Old 03-23-2009, 10:30 AM #1
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5-HTP is a direct precurser to serotonin that by-passes the brain modulating system. The safe way to increase serotonin levels is with L-tryptophan. It is modulated by the brain and only converted to serotonin as the brain needs it.
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He issued me 2 natural supplements which I have been taking for about 10 days and I can say that I am almost 100% symptom free. [/QUOTE]

May I ask what you're taking? I've been suffering for over 21/2 years. My syptoms aren't quite as bad but I still deal with fatigue and constant dizziness and imbalance. I'm so tired of this!
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He issued me 2 natural supplements which I have been taking for about 10 days and I can say that I am almost 100% symptom free.
May I ask what you're taking? I've been suffering for over 21/2 years. My syptoms aren't quite as bad but I still deal with fatigue and constant dizziness and imbalance. I'm so tired of this![/QUOTE]


Im still taking
5 travacor when I wake up as well as 2 Balance-D
then before dinner an additional 2 Balance-D
Prior to bed im taking Advacor

its been almost 2 months now and I can honestly say im almost back to normal... from what I can remember normal being

IM going to redo the test next month and ill post the results again

I really recommend the test to anyone!
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Im still taking
5 travacor when I wake up as well as 2 Balance-D
then before dinner an additional 2 Balance-D
Prior to bed im taking Advacor

its been almost 2 months now and I can honestly say im almost back to normal... from what I can remember normal being

IM going to redo the test next month and ill post the results again

I really recommend the test to anyone!
Fantastic to hear! I strongly believe its in a large scale about the chemistry when talking about PCS.

A report from a leading swedish institute came to the conclusion that the severity of a headtrauma was NOT the thing that predicted the outcome and possible PCS. All was mTBI but with a wide range of severity at the first glance.

They took scan-results, symtoms, neurological testing and more in to consideration, but it just didnt make any sense. People with the proven more serious damage such as hemorrhages, axondamage and more and more persistent symptoms was not automatically those with the worst long term outcome!!
This has been proven in practise also. You hear people having a quite mild first concussion but still get PCS, while some people can get lots without as persistent symptoms. Ok bad example but I think you will agree.

What they DID find in the study was that persons with negative psychological factors like depression and lots else (before, during or after the incident) was more likely to end up with PCS. This is what I really have thought alot of...

The reason beeing is my father who has had the same problem with fatigue as I have. But he didnt HIT his head...

He worked in a constant stress for too long and got himself into having somekind of a stressrelated disorder. It is proven that people with this kind of "disorder" have changes in their brain-chemistry. He has been on a lot of different drugs (antidepressants mostly) that has made his brain had a chance to by itself level out the imbalances. And now it seems it has...

The point beeing: Chemistry has more too do with our persisting symptoms than we might understand.


The really interesting part is this though:

How will the brain react if you level the balances out and keep the brain from "misfireing" or help with the reatract of glutamate for an example (through medications as you describe you use)?

Will it be fine or have the brain put itself in this recoverymode which means crossing its boundaries will harm it or prolong the "real" recovery whatever it might be...

I hate that I write soo much, its hard for people to read but Im so interested.

I cant find the report right now but If someone wants to see it I will try to get a hold of it.

Emil from Sweden
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Fantastic to hear! I strongly believe its in a large scale about the chemistry when talking about PCS.

A report from a leading swedish institute came to the conclusion that the severity of a headtrauma was NOT the thing that predicted the outcome and possible PCS. All was mTBI but with a wide range of severity at the first glance.

They took scan-results, symtoms, neurological testing and more in to consideration, but it just didnt make any sense. People with the proven more serious damage such as hemorrhages, axondamage and more and more persistent symptoms was not automatically those with the worst long term outcome!!
This has been proven in practise also. You hear people having a quite mild first concussion but still get PCS, while some people can get lots without as persistent symptoms. Ok bad example but I think you will agree.

What they DID find in the study was that persons with negative psychological factors like depression and lots else (before, during or after the incident) was more likely to end up with PCS. This is what I really have thought alot of...

The reason beeing is my father who has had the same problem with fatigue as I have. But he didnt HIT his head...

He worked in a constant stress for too long and got himself into having somekind of a stressrelated disorder. It is proven that people with this kind of "disorder" have changes in their brain-chemistry. He has been on a lot of different drugs (antidepressants mostly) that has made his brain had a chance to by itself level out the imbalances. And now it seems it has...

The point beeing: Chemistry has more too do with our persisting symptoms than we might understand.


The really interesting part is this though:

How will the brain react if you level the balances out and keep the brain from "misfireing" or help with the reatract of glutamate for an example (through medications as you describe you use)?

Will it be fine or have the brain put itself in this recoverymode which means crossing its boundaries will harm it or prolong the "real" recovery whatever it might be...

I hate that I write soo much, its hard for people to read but Im so interested.

I cant find the report right now but If someone wants to see it I will try to get a hold of it.

Emil from Sweden

Couldnt agree more!
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Hi Emil - your post is interesting. I had always wondered if my state of mind at the time of my head knocks had anything to do with the PCS and I did ask several specialists - they said no but I still had my doubts.

At the time I was extremely busy at work - 2 staff members had left and I was covering their work - which made long hours. My best friend was dying of cancer, my mum was having to move into a retirement village and my brother was having tests for cancer. My husband who later left was not at all supportive. I had major stress for a long period of time and I was wondering if your brain gets locked into it? I know that I can not handle any stress what so ever now - instant bad headache etc

So I too wonder about this. there is also the theory that those with higher intelligence develop PCS due to noticing so many subtle changes in the brain. Maybe it is the combination of both?

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Mikeyy,

My adrenal test came back similar to yours, but my doc said to wait on treating it to see what the travacor and Balance D does. Can you please tell me what two supplements he put you on to help with your adrenal gland? I feel that mine is also fatigued and I might also have thyroid issues. Thanks.


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Ive been suffering from PCS/TBI for 2 years, 2 months and 22 days.
Its an easy day for me to remember for 2 reasons, one it was new years eve and 2 it was the day my life changed forever.

To give you a brief summary I have probably had a dozen concussions from hockey, and other such activities. The most recent I received dec 28th, 2006. I was unaware of my concussion however even if I had been it probably wouldnt have changed my actions over the next couple of days. Dec 30th I took off for Mexico to celebrate new years. Upon arrival in mex I felt fine, went to bed and Dec 31st I woke up feeling as what I can describe as awaking in a dream.

Nevertheless my condition worsened in Mexico. The flight clearly took its toll on me. Once I arrived back home in Vancouver, BC I went to see my GP doctor, a clinic doctor blah blah blah all useless. I paid for a private MRI, had an EEG done, all the tests you can imagine with no luck.

Nov 17th 2007 I went to my chiropractor who had treated me for my groin injury and essentially broke down in his office. After about 5 questions he immediately said yes you have PCS and we started treatment instantly. Ironically enough im now good friends with him and we play hockey together, lol go figure. HE has helped me immensly with just his treatment as well as the laser therapy.

Later I went to a PROLOTHERAPIST who did also some minor adjustments, as well as some prolo injections in my neck. Now this is where it gets good

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Judging by my symptoms the Prolotherapist said to me he felt that my chiropractor had "fixed" my concussion issues, but my body had become chemically unbalanced as a result of trying to deal with a brain injury with no help for 11 months and asked me to take as NEUROSCIENCE TEST. https://www.neurorelief.com/ I did so and the results came back just as he had thought. I was suffering from Adrenal Fatigue and borderline adrenal burnout. He issued me 2 natural supplements which I have been taking for about 10 days and I can say that I am almost 100% symptom free. I cannot tell you how good it feels. Once I stop thinking about what ive gone through for the past 2 years im certain I will return to my old - self, although im having a hard time remembering what thats like.

I guess what you want to try to keep in mind is that even though you have suffered a concussion or TBI there is a possibility that once the brain is lets say "Fixed" the rest of your body has also taken a beating and needs to be "repaired" as well...

I definately suggest for everyone to take this test, its very inexpensive, and even if this isnt your only problem its a good way to see how your body levels are. - My results are at the bottom.

If you are in the vancouver area, or visiting for the olympics or just tired of lousy doctors in your area im going to recommend 2 doctors.

Dr Stefan Sigalet - 604-524-4959 "chiropractor" however to me hes capable of much more, he works on several of the Vancouver Canucks, several NHL players have flown in to see him, Todd Bertuzzi was supposed to be out for the season and visited Dr Stefan and was back on the ice 2 weeks later.

Dr Albert Kim - 604-433-0100 "Prolotherapist" his knowledge and explanations of everything put me at ease everytime I go visit him. since his help with my TBI ive had him help me with my knees, hip, neck and next visit my back... all relatively minor injuries but by dealing with them now im sure I will be in better shape as I age.

Here are my neurotest results so you can see how they look.
**I hope that this might help some of you, of course everyones case differs a lot this just worked out best for me. Good luck to all if you have any questions about how this was for me feel free to ask**

One other point I wanted to make was I asked the doctor why it was when I drank it caused me to feel more normal, im not a drinker at all, ill drink 2 times a month if that, but when I did and I was at my worst it made me feel more normal. He informed me this is due to the fact that alcohol contains dopamine and thats part of phase II of the neuroscience recovery

Good luck
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Mikey, can you please elaborate a little more on your vision issues. I have vision issues that I have been trying to describe for 7 years, but I don't know how to explain it. It feels like things move in slow motion, I think, and I just feel out of it, like my head is filled with water. My sense of time is also messed up.
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Mikey, can you please elaborate a little more on your vision issues. I have vision issues that I have been trying to describe for 7 years, but I don't know how to explain it. It feels like things move in slow motion, I think, and I just feel out of it, like my head is filled with water. My sense of time is also messed up.

Hi baseball
sorry for the late reply

My vision issues from what I can remember, started off by basically almost a blurred like state.. as if I was dreaming...

I too recal thinking everything moved in slow motion or things were moving too fast for me to be able to focus on them (ie a cars wheel while driving)

I also remember losing my "internal clock" for about 2 weeks.. this was hell.. I couldnt tell u approx what time it was if my life depended on it

Again for me, I felt the neuroscience products were my biggest help... after of course my chiropractor (on paper) pretty much felt he did all he could for me...
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Thanks for your reply. The vision issues I am experiencing are very similar to what you were describing, and they started also after a flight I took. How long until you started feeling better, and how long before you returned to playing hockey? Did the symptoms worses with playing or exercising? Did you experience any headcahes, migranes, light sensitivity?
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