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Old 05-19-2009, 09:25 AM #1
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Im still taking
5 travacor when I wake up as well as 2 Balance-D
then before dinner an additional 2 Balance-D
Prior to bed im taking Advacor

its been almost 2 months now and I can honestly say im almost back to normal... from what I can remember normal being

IM going to redo the test next month and ill post the results again

I really recommend the test to anyone!
Fantastic to hear! I strongly believe its in a large scale about the chemistry when talking about PCS.

A report from a leading swedish institute came to the conclusion that the severity of a headtrauma was NOT the thing that predicted the outcome and possible PCS. All was mTBI but with a wide range of severity at the first glance.

They took scan-results, symtoms, neurological testing and more in to consideration, but it just didnt make any sense. People with the proven more serious damage such as hemorrhages, axondamage and more and more persistent symptoms was not automatically those with the worst long term outcome!!
This has been proven in practise also. You hear people having a quite mild first concussion but still get PCS, while some people can get lots without as persistent symptoms. Ok bad example but I think you will agree.

What they DID find in the study was that persons with negative psychological factors like depression and lots else (before, during or after the incident) was more likely to end up with PCS. This is what I really have thought alot of...

The reason beeing is my father who has had the same problem with fatigue as I have. But he didnt HIT his head...

He worked in a constant stress for too long and got himself into having somekind of a stressrelated disorder. It is proven that people with this kind of "disorder" have changes in their brain-chemistry. He has been on a lot of different drugs (antidepressants mostly) that has made his brain had a chance to by itself level out the imbalances. And now it seems it has...

The point beeing: Chemistry has more too do with our persisting symptoms than we might understand.


The really interesting part is this though:

How will the brain react if you level the balances out and keep the brain from "misfireing" or help with the reatract of glutamate for an example (through medications as you describe you use)?

Will it be fine or have the brain put itself in this recoverymode which means crossing its boundaries will harm it or prolong the "real" recovery whatever it might be...

I hate that I write soo much, its hard for people to read but Im so interested.

I cant find the report right now but If someone wants to see it I will try to get a hold of it.

Emil from Sweden
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Fantastic to hear! I strongly believe its in a large scale about the chemistry when talking about PCS.

A report from a leading swedish institute came to the conclusion that the severity of a headtrauma was NOT the thing that predicted the outcome and possible PCS. All was mTBI but with a wide range of severity at the first glance.

They took scan-results, symtoms, neurological testing and more in to consideration, but it just didnt make any sense. People with the proven more serious damage such as hemorrhages, axondamage and more and more persistent symptoms was not automatically those with the worst long term outcome!!
This has been proven in practise also. You hear people having a quite mild first concussion but still get PCS, while some people can get lots without as persistent symptoms. Ok bad example but I think you will agree.

What they DID find in the study was that persons with negative psychological factors like depression and lots else (before, during or after the incident) was more likely to end up with PCS. This is what I really have thought alot of...

The reason beeing is my father who has had the same problem with fatigue as I have. But he didnt HIT his head...

He worked in a constant stress for too long and got himself into having somekind of a stressrelated disorder. It is proven that people with this kind of "disorder" have changes in their brain-chemistry. He has been on a lot of different drugs (antidepressants mostly) that has made his brain had a chance to by itself level out the imbalances. And now it seems it has...

The point beeing: Chemistry has more too do with our persisting symptoms than we might understand.


The really interesting part is this though:

How will the brain react if you level the balances out and keep the brain from "misfireing" or help with the reatract of glutamate for an example (through medications as you describe you use)?

Will it be fine or have the brain put itself in this recoverymode which means crossing its boundaries will harm it or prolong the "real" recovery whatever it might be...

I hate that I write soo much, its hard for people to read but Im so interested.

I cant find the report right now but If someone wants to see it I will try to get a hold of it.

Emil from Sweden

Couldnt agree more!
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Hi Emil - your post is interesting. I had always wondered if my state of mind at the time of my head knocks had anything to do with the PCS and I did ask several specialists - they said no but I still had my doubts.

At the time I was extremely busy at work - 2 staff members had left and I was covering their work - which made long hours. My best friend was dying of cancer, my mum was having to move into a retirement village and my brother was having tests for cancer. My husband who later left was not at all supportive. I had major stress for a long period of time and I was wondering if your brain gets locked into it? I know that I can not handle any stress what so ever now - instant bad headache etc

So I too wonder about this. there is also the theory that those with higher intelligence develop PCS due to noticing so many subtle changes in the brain. Maybe it is the combination of both?

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There is definitely a connection between brain chemistry at the time of impact and the PCS intensity. The brain under stress does not properly metabolize and excrete the results of metabolism. There is also adrenaline and other chemical processes that go on at higher levels. the byproducts of the stress related functions do not get completely purged from the brain. As a result, the brain is in a weakened state and less able to tolerate and recover from impacts. Depression is a symptom of this chemical pollution. PTSD is similar except it causes physiological changes too.

Now comes an impact. The brain is polluted with these various chemicals. It is like having the flu and hay-fever allergies at the same time. Both conditions are magnified because of the weakened immune state. The brain is just the same. It needs to go through a healing process but is still overwhelmed with the stress toxins. Not only does the healing not happen, either right away or completely, but the weakened brain cells are more prone to damage.

This was explained to me in 1982 when I had a very bad reaction to a stressful event.

This is why mTBI and PCS persons need to be diligent in their nutrition and stay away from toxins such as alcohol, exitotoxins, and stress.
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Just got the results from my most recent neuroscience test, check out the differences... keep in mind I have been off the natural supplements for 2+ months, Ive actually just started taking them again

Just neat to see improvements as well as results
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and for a chuckle check out my taurine levels
I find when im kinda down or having a difficult time concentrating I take an energy drink and it helps my vision mostly... but lol my level is through the roof
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Can you elaborate more? I also experience vision problems and have high taurine levels. Thanks.

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and for a chuckle check out my taurine levels
I find when im kinda down or having a difficult time concentrating I take an energy drink and it helps my vision mostly... but lol my level is through the roof
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