[cat265]

Dose anyone know if a low b12 level has anythihng to do with arthrtis? I went to see a hematolosist today. They did some blood work on me and they must of forgot to do a clotting test. She kept asking me about RA in my family. My b12 level is low and I will starting shots in 2 weeks. She wants to do more blood work. I was just wondering why she was so concernd about blood clotting. She insisited my blood results were fine.

[rose]

RA and other autoimmune related problems are more likely in the same person. One of the most frequent causes of B12 deficiency is an autoimmune attack on the body's own gastric (stomach) lining. In addition to that, the way we cope with changes in our bodies often cause us to walk and otherwise move in ways that increase the damage due to arthritis.

Also, there is a connection between bone health and B12 deficiency in some (those I've seen written about are males, but that doesn't mean it only occurs in males).

Clotting can definitely be affected by B12 deficiency.

Here is a copy of my answer to you on the B vitamins and heart palpitations thread. No one who may need B12 should have to wait weeks for it. It appears that you have run into the pervasive ignorance that prompted me to do this work:

That is outrageous. For someone who considers B12 deficiency (and knows about MMA and Hcy) and knows you have serious symptoms to delay is especially shameful.

You don't "wait a couple of weeks" and test again. You do the MMA and Hcy immediately. If I were you, I would insist that the blood be drawn for those two tests no later than Monday, and on the way out of the lab I would start my oral B12 in doses of no less than 1000 mcg (I would take 5000 mcg methylcobalamin). And I would keep up the B12 for a very long time, since it is safe but deficiency is terribly damaging and those two tests do not catch a percentage of cases.

If I couldn't get that, I would start the methylcobalamin today.

It is shameful, but many hemotologists do not know anything about B12 developments within the last 35 years. And it is apparent that that one knows less than most. To not know that a large dose in a swallowed or dissolved tablet will help means the doc is over 30 years behind. To think that B12 deficiency can't make a person exhausted makes the doc hopeless, in my opinion.

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[ConsiderThis]

Hi Cat,

I'm looking for a message and ran across this one of yours. Because you were so kind to answer me in my thread about Stress, I want to mention to you that when my B12 level slips I always have nose bleeds.

If I have a lot of stress my B12 level can slip really quickly and all of a sudden I have a nose bleed and my gums bleed. When I was younger I'd also get my period, or if there were long periods of stress my period wouldn't stop... weeks and weeks.

I am reminded that my Polish grandfather used to say that anyone who walked barefoot in the grass after it rained would never get arthritis.

I've tried to do that, even when it took a year of clearing goats heads before I could do it safely.

But since I got tetanus from a food wound, I'm too afraid. (Darn it)

I think the reason it works is that it's so lovely feeling... and so it totally relieves stress.

It poured here yesterday... you make me wish I'd gone outside and walked in my sparse grass. (I live in the high desert.)

If you can get it so that you can give yourself shots, and you can get a prescription for a lot of shots, I'd do that.

But if you do, get the Milk Thistle because I believe that the cyano in the cyanocobalamin which is the most common form of B12 shots, isn't good and builds up. But the Milk Thistle clears it out.

((((((((cat)))))))))

[cat265]

considerthis,
It's funny you should mention milk thistle. I never heard of it before but I just had my dogs at the vet and they have high enzyme levels in their liver and the vet recormended milk thistle. I forgot to ask the doc what kind of b12 shots he was giving me. I will have to ask at my next visit. Thanks for the tip.

[ConsiderThis]

Hi cat

Chances are it's the cyanocobalamin. It's much more common.

That's such a trip when coincidences like that happen.

I love it.

It's powerful stuff. Seriously. (the Milk Thistle)

and, I suppose, the coincidences.

(I can't sleep... that may explain why I'm being silly)
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[rose]

Cyanocobalamin or hydroxocobalamin are most likely. And unfortunately, cyanocobalamin is the most likely of all.

I also developed nose bleeds. It took me a year, almost to the day, of B12 treatment to get rid of them (might have taken me less if the neurologist who diagnosed me hadn't been experimenting on me and kept me from B12 for at least 6 months after getting stores up good and strong).

rose

[ConsiderThis]

I didn't realize that you had the nose bleeds too. I was never sure they were from low B12, except they went away if I had an extra shot.

Now when I get a nose bleed I know it's a sign that my B12 is low again. (Or maybe I should say, I think I know it's low again.)

The stress is a killer.

B12 is a life saver.

This is what I just wrote on another forum:

Originally Posted by Karen Kline

You do realize the numbers in what I wrote refer to where to hear it on the CD of the hearing, right?

My blow by blow account mirrors the CD copy of the proceedings.

The numbers in the brackets show where in the record to look for the inf.

Because at the end of the hearing on March 8th the judge said my version of things did not match the record, which is patently false, I know that his impartiality can reasonably be questioned. (To say the least)

Lawyers tell people not to talk about cases so as not to reveal something the lawyer wants to prevaricate about...

I put the real dates down repeatedly, and the record shows those real dates.

But the judge supported a lie in order to punish me for filing my ADA, Title II case in federal court against the head judge.

So I think there is a good chance my appeal is doomed for the same reason.

And that is what makes it so hard to do this.

When I did my Chapter 11, there were usually at least three lawyers there opposing me.

I won against them at times. I won a $23,000 settlement from one lawyer.

So I know that if someone follows the rules and the court is impartial and follows the law that they can win if the facts and law are on their side.

The facts and law have been on my side in the state court, but I have not been able to win.

That is what freaks me out.

Being freaked out is sooooo stressful.
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[mrsD]

information on B12 and arthritis, among other things;

http://www.webmd.com/news/19991119/n...toid-arthritis