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01-23-2011, 08:04 AM | #1 | |||
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B12 does not have be sublingual. Taking a high oral dose, will be absorbed passively (without intrinsic factor) thru the intestines, provided there is no food present with it.
Many people believe taking a complex is best. Some of them work with others as cofactors. Riboflavin is needed for activating pyridoxine, for example. I think P5P needs to be enteric coated, but not the others. The reason is the phosphate will be cleaved off in the present of acid, and it will revert back to pyridoxine. P5P is a cofactor for making serotonin in the brain. So people do feel better when that is fixed when low. People with really low B6 may have a condition called pyroluria. http://www.drkaslow.com/html/pyroluria.html If this is the case for you, you may need zinc as well.
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01-25-2011, 01:54 PM | #2 | ||
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Don't get me wrong. I'm going to be combining the P5P with other Bs (I've heard that just taking one can result in deficiencies in the rest), just not in a single pill. As for the Pyroluria: You know it's funny. When I read the article to which you referred, I thought I should get the test. But when I took the Pyroluria quiz, from naturopathyonline.com, I didn't even come close to matching the symptoms. Also I don't have white specs/lines in my fingernails. MrsD, have you found/heard much on people w/ pyroluria who don't match those classic symptoms? From the parts I've read on the site, you seem very knowledgeable and active, so I really appreciate your input. Thanks! |
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01-25-2011, 03:43 PM | #3 | |||
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Everyone gets those white flecks occasionally on nails. They can come from hitting the hand against things, minor trauma.
Zinc levels have to be really low before they would show up in pyrolurics. I think the main symptom is mood instability, craving for alcohol and self medicating with it, or wanting tranquilizers. Males lose zinc in their semen regularly and would show low symptoms before women. Women need zinc too, but we don't lose it often like men do. We lose iron instead. Some drugs cause women to lose hair, and this is corrected by adding zinc. Also acne. So low zinc in women may show up cosmetically first. A new study from Brazil shows women however, low in essential fatty acids... omega-3's... have more severe PMS symptoms and cramps.
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01-26-2011, 11:18 PM | #4 | ||
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03-07-2011, 06:32 PM | #5 | ||
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Dear Mrs. D,
I am excited to be a member of this board. I find your information on vitamins and supplements to be very valuable. I'm truly amazed at how learned you are, and so willing to help others, thank you for that. About 6 months ago, I read something about too much B6 causing neuropathy so I stopped taking B complex and my multivitamin because it also contained B6. In the B category I was only taking sublingual B12 and Benfotiamine (B1). I don't understand everything that's posted here but I think I should start taking my multi again with 3mg of B6 because the burning pain from my neuropathy seems to have gotten worse. I will go for blood work and check my B6 and zinc (zinc was low at one time). Should I take the P5P along with my multi or should I get a B complex? I spoke with you in another forum about aspirin which I discontinued and will now heed your advice about taking Alka Seltzer with aspirin. My neuropathy is idiopathic, and I truly believe it could be caused by vitamin deficiences. Thank you sooo much for your expertise and your time.....Rosie xo |
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03-07-2011, 06:48 PM | #6 | |||
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Hello, Rosie....
supplements with 3 mg of B6 are not likely to cause toxicity. However, if you do NOT convert that to active P5P, yes, you will still be deficient. Continue with your conservative supplement. If you see NO results in another month or two, consider changing over to the activated form called P5P.. NOW company makes a nice one. It takes alot of B6 to get the toxic form of neuropathy. It is not likely at these doses.
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04-24-2011, 12:01 AM | #7 | ||
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I am looking for a compound of B12, B6 and Folic acid, but as the problem is also to do with overmethyation whch gives low histamine I need these supplements not to be methyl contained. |
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03-19-2011, 08:35 PM | #8 | ||
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04-25-2011, 09:28 PM | #9 | ||
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Any one else get neuropathy in the first place from b-6 toxicity? I was low on b-6 with nerve pain in female areas. Given b-6 and my body processed it to 4x , toxic levels. Horrible 3 inch needles poking my entire body day & night for about a year. SLowly went down to just evenings, nights in my face & the sometimes trunk area, crawly, itchy. Given Methylfolate for a genetic vascular defect which was supposed to help the neuropathy too & now it is back more with a vengence! Any one have anyideas?? Seen this before?
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04-26-2011, 05:46 AM | #10 | |||
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Hello Holly and welcome to NeuroTalk...
Do you know what your B12 level is? B12/folate/B6 work together in the body for some actions. Please check this out, and see what your reading is. Don't accept "normal" from your doctor, as lab ranges in US go down very low. Also get a Vit D test, and use D3 supplement if you need to improve that. Low D creates Low calcium issues, which have paresthesias (odd skin sensations) as a symptom.
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