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Old 08-15-2008, 05:02 PM #1
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Default Vitamin b5 d chiro inositol???

I have been considering getting both this products for all my health issues. I was reading that this members of the vitamin b group may be beneficial for me.

I think i may be insulin resistance since i have

Hypothyroidism
Peripheral nueropathy
PCOS
Acne

I think all this problems are somehow linked to insulin resistance.

What do you think??

Is taking large doses of vit b5 safe??

Do you know anything about the other supplement, d chiro inositol has been found to be helpful for women suffering pcos, i am thinking it may also help my neuropathy cause it helps cells get energy from insulin, do you know anything about it?

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Here is a possible link:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...gi?artid=46839

I'm not familiar with this subject and can only speak very generally.

I have heard folks mention taking Inositol for things like anxiety, OCD, and ADHD and doing so successfully.

The health concerns you have mentioned, from what I know and have heard about, might benefit from B vitamin intake.

I do know that there are other nutrients/supplements...maybe fatty acids??? that might benefit the health concerns you have listed and hopefully someone with knowledge in this area will come forward. For example, I think zinc can help alleviate acne.
http://www.nutritional-supplements-h...-for-acne.html

I do think PCOS/acne/insulin resistence are all related. Chromium Piccolate might be of help with the insulin resistence. From what I have heard, basically everyone can take 200 mcgs. safely. Those with insulin resistence often take more. It is not uncommon for folks with concerns to take 400-500 mcgs. There is a separate site here (look under "diabetes"). It covers insulin resitence/diabetes/metabolic syndrome.

I know that I have benefited from taking a B50 supplement and many of my friends have also felt better taking this supplement. It is sort of a multi-B formula and my guess is, you wont go wrong taking it. In addition, I personally take extra B12...which I have been hearing is almost across the board recommended for folks over 50.

I do hope you are working closely with your doctor re: your medical issues. I'm sure he or she will want to run tests... I do think its important that if you haven't gone already, that you go as soon as you are able.

So many have benefitted from adding supplements to their daily routine and because of this, I think you are wise to explore your nutritional needs.
Here is a good book to check out at the library or review at your local health food store:
http://www.amazon.com/Prescription-N...ref=pd_sim_b_3
Also check out a book by Mary Shoman on the proper diet to eat with hypothyroidism...another great one to get from the library.

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I take high doses of pantothenic acid (B5). You should take the d-calcium pantotnenate form. This comes in powder form or as tables which can be timed release. The other common form (pantothenic acid) can give me the runs if I take too much.

B5 helps your adrenals to make cortisol. I think it may help with blood sugar. It is called the anti-stress vitamin.

I had a blood sugar problem before I started taking higher doses of B5; I don't have one now. It is known for helping to digest fats, protein and carbs.

I also take another form. Jarrow is the only source I know of for pantethine.

Its also know for helping with co-enzyme A which is about energy.

It is considered useful for acne, but like the other poster said so are other things like zinc.

I don't take inositol but have heard it helps with OCD issues. I've never heard of that form. I wish I could help you with that but I think I just learned of a new form of inositol.

You should consult with your doctor about these nutrients.
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hi monica, I'm on an iphone and it is hard to type so I will be brief. Vitamin b5 is not inositol; it is not really a b vitamin but is grouped with them for soMe reason. Chiro inositol is a specific isomer of it that is being investigated for type 2 diabetes and pcos. You can find more info on pcos web forums that you can google. Myo inositol is the common type in supplements and is less potent but does woRk In higher doses. If you found a commercial source for chiro send me a pm since I only found a few sources a year or so ago. I will be back in a week or so and will have better answers then; this iPhone is hard to type on and my son is doing it for me.
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Lightbulb I have returned from vacation..

and did some searching.

There is a new product on the net containing chiro isomer of inositol. But it is mega expensive. These prices reflect those of benfotiamine when it first came out:

http://www.chiralbalance.com/store.h...FQIyGgodTld6hw

At this price, it is twice as expensive as SAMe is in stores.(which is still expensive IMO)
I am not finding it at iherb for any $$ savings.

Perhaps with time, the price will become more affordable.
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Sorry for answering back so late. I've been having trouble with some personal issues... and well... Anyways... Thank you for the replies.... I have to tell you something, i've decided to buy d chiro inositol from the page mrsd added. I having on it for about three weeks. It's been good so far. I don't know if d chiro has had anything to do with it, but i've been feeling very good regarding to my neuropathy. Somedays i have felt completely ok. Today has been a bad day , but in general i can tell you i can feel a difference. I don't know exactly what the reason is, since i've also added other supplements such as lipoic acid and the ones i took before (fish oil, b12, benfothiamine, b6, mag, folic acid....).

I wanted to add something: i've noticed improvement in my acne problem, i am happy for that.

So... i'll be posting any further changes i get from d chiro inositol.

Regarding to b5, i've not given it a try, but i probably will.


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Lightbulb I am glad you are feeling better...

Please keep us up to date on your progress.

And also if the Chiro-inositol continues for you. If it does, then
that points to insulin resistance, and/or PCOS for females.
Inositol is lost in the urine in diabetics.

I have been watching inositol for a while now..and posting about it. My husband and I both use it. But I haven't have the $$bucks to invest in the chiro form.

I will suggest to you, Monica, that if you use any inositol regularly you also use taurine. Dr. Jensen-Kittley found that taurine is affected during inositol supplementation, and she suggests in her book Obesity's Answer, to use both.
Here is an example:
http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/handle/2027.42/46028
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Thank you mrsd, you're always so generous. Just to clarify the information on the link. Does it mean that inositols and taurine are both osmolytes (whatever that means, erally don't know), and therefore one is supossed to use them together, also because they work better together.

I have a question here. I am noy diabetic, but i think i may have insuline resistance do to my many symptoms. Is it true one can have insulin resistance without having diabetes? No one in my family is diabetic.
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Insulin resistance is considered the precursor of impaired glucose tolerance--it's the point at which it take significantly greater pancreatic release of insulin to drive glucose into the cells, but the body can still make enough to keep serum glucose from rising to impaired levels.

In time, though, unless they make lifestyle changes, many can no longer produce enough insulin to keep their glucose below such levels.

I suspect that a great many people (possibly even a majority) past 40-45 who eat a standard Western diet rich in simple carbohydrates, and who do not exercise vigorously, have insulin resistance to greater or lesser degree. Our metabolisms evolved under a feast or famine mentality, making it natural for many of us to store fat under conditions of plenty. Unfortunately, nowadays these are generally not followed by hard exercise or periods of scarcity, and this accumulation of fat over times make insulin work less well.
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