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Old 12-04-2008, 12:22 PM #11
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Hey flyersfan,

Below is a link to a post I made about my experience with Iron deficiency. It might help you interpret your results.

Keep us posted.

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/sh...ron+deficiency
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Mrs. D-Thank you very much- I have been reading a lot of your old posts and they are helpful.


Shelley-Thank you so very much for your help and the link-I really appreciate it!

This site is great-Thans to everyone!

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Hi everyone- I am having problems with memory, concentration, numbness, tingling, balance, coordination, headaches, dizziness. My MRI was negative and I am waiting for a neuro appt.

I am currently on two Protonix a day and I have been on prilosec, nexium as well over 10 years- with about a one year break a few years ago. I also have had my gall bladder removed and I had a huge stone removed from my bile duct-both in 2006.

Shelley suggested on another thread to look into B12 methyl. My PCP said my B12 was "normal", however after reading through posts here for the last few hours, I called my doc and was told my B12 is 451 which is under the 500 that has been discussed here.

I am going to order the Jarrow B12-5000 to start with. I have noticed other posts about B6, Folic acid, Magnesium and Omega 3. Should I start any of those now or wait to see how the B12 methyl works? If so which ones should I buy and how and when should I take them. I already have read to take the B12 on an empty stomach. How many hours before I eat should I take it?

Thank you so much.

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I'm glad to read that you're going to take Methylcobalamin.

I used to be iron deficient and feel dizzy from the anemia whenever I stood up, but after having B12 replacement I've not had the iron deficiency anemia any more.

If you keep a few notes when you're using the Methylcobalamin then later you can look back and see how it worked for you; sometimes that can be useful.
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--is among the largest that the body uses on a regular basis; it is therefore very easy to interfere with its absorption (probably part of the reason B12 deficiency is more common than is generally believed).

Taking oral methylcobalamin (or even cyanocobalamin) im large doses is designed so that even through passive absorption, sufficient cobalamin will get through to provide enough for most normal needs. In a 1000mcg dose, perhaps 1-2% will get through (10-20mcg), but since figures on the daily requirement for cobalamin are usually set around 8mcg, this is usually enough for most people. People who are deficient or who need tissue repair often go above this though, often to 5000-10000mcg daily.

Still, it's probably best if one takes one's cobalamin seperately from anything else--I generally have mine at least two hours after a meal and at least one hour before, trying to time it to as empty a stomach as possible.


Glen, why do you take tne b12 on an empty stomach? I just got Jarrow 1000 lozenges and it says to take it with meal.

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Glen, why do you take tne b12 on an empty stomach? I just got Jarrow 1000 lozenges and it says to take it with meal.

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B12 is a large molecule and will not be absorbed as well when mixed with food
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Glen, why do you take tne b12 on an empty stomach? I just got Jarrow 1000 lozenges and it says to take it with meal.

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Do NOT take with food.

It has been found that drugs that are dosed in microgram quantities do not get absorbed properly when food is present.
Micrograms are very tiny amounts.
This goes for thyroid medications and digoxin.
Tiny microgram doses can be absorbed by any fiber present in the GI tract and hence made unavailable for absorption into the blood stream.
Normally B12 from food is bound to intrinsic factor which ensures proper absorption.
Theoretically if you have good intrinsic factor, food may not be a huge issue. But we don't really know that, do we? After all pernicious anemia is failure of intrinsic factor.
People who show up here with neuro issues....have "something" wrong them. So I suggest you take the B12 as if you had NO intrinsic factor activity.

The sublingual lozenges are just a gimmick IMO. B12 is a very large molecule and not much would be absorbed thru the buccal membranes. Think about how many drugs we see for use this way...mostly only those that need to avoid first pass thru the liver. Nitroglycerine is one example. Nicotine from chewing gum is another.

For people with intact intrinsic factor, some oral B12 may be bound but no one really knows whether this is the case. Doctors don't do Schilling tests anymore. Labs don't offer them.

Taking oral B12 and swallowing it, affords opportunity for passive absorption without the helper intrinsic factor, in the small intestine. 10 micrograms or less is estimated to be absorbed this way. Since we only need 2-4 micrograms a day, a 1000mcg tablet would just afford the RDA with a small margin of error.

The article I put up several times from American Association of Family Physicians gives results of a study using oral:
http://www.aafp.org/afp/20030301/979.html
There is still much confusion about oral B12, misunderstanding about desirability of methyl vs cyano, and dosing.

I try to keep up on the newest information for this reason.
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Oh MrsD..I have very recently started taking the B12 after reading here but find the problem is that my stomach is seldom empty.

It takes a lot of planning to time the pill between feedings. *grin
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Oh MrsD..I have very recently started taking the B12 after reading here but find the problem is that my stomach is seldom empty.

It takes a lot of planning to time the pill between feedings. *grin
Take it first thing when you get up... I have mine with tea and my thyroid dose. (it helps if you have another drug that requires empty stomach like that). I wait at least an hour or more before I have breakfast food. Most breakfast food is loaded with fiber..cereals, bread etc.

Or you can take it before bedtime, and hopefully your tummy is empty then? <cough cough>

When I was going thru the menopause and had trouble sleeping I took it then, at night. It really helped the insomnia.
The reason for this is that methylB12 is in the conversion step from serotonin to melatonin --melatonin is the "sleep" hormone.

Menopause wasn't too bad for me really, except for the sleep issue.
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Oh ! I didnt know I had to take B12 with an empty stomach !!! Perhaps that's why I havent seen results...

Oh my... My eutirox has to be taken with empty stomach too !? For my thyroids....

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i usually end up biting the vitamin b12 tablets in half and then swallowing it, cause otherwise it's hard to go down, especially jarrows.
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