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Old 12-03-2006, 09:38 AM #1
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Lightbulb I cannot vouch for Lysine

and Chronic Fatigue, personally.

It is available as a powder (body builders use it alot) but I cannot vouch
its taste.
http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDe...&pid=NOW-00240

I would consider looking at other things that boost immunity as well. Such as zinc and selenium.
You have to be careful with selenium however...
http://dietary-supplements.info.nih....s/selenium.asp
It has a narrow therapeutic window, and can be toxic if overused.
200mcg is the typical upper limit (in people eating a typical diet).
I would not recommend more than 200mcg/day in a supplement.

I would also consider Googling immune support, and make sure you get
other nutrients for this...besides Lysine only.

Lysine info:
http://healthlibrary.epnet.com/GetCo...chunkiid=21791
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Safety Issues

Although lysine is an essential part of the diet, the safety of concentrated lysine supplements has not been well studied. In animal studies, high dosages have caused gallstones and elevated cholesterol levels, 15,16 so you may want to use caution when using lysine if you have either of these problems. Maximum safe dosages for young children, pregnant or nursing women, or those with severe liver or kidney disease have not been established.
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I cannot vouch for L-Lysine and Chronic Fatigue, personally.

It is available as a powder (body builders use it alot) but I cannot vouch
its taste.
http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDe...&pid=NOW-00240
THANK YOU!! I was beginning to wonder if I could dissolve the darned things in a glass of crystal lite - I will try it for my next dose and thank you for the link for the powder.

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I would consider looking at other things that boost immunity as well. Such as zinc and selenium.
And I just threw away all my zinc lozenges - the kind to -supposedly- elimate the nasty symptoms of the common cold!!! NEVER did away with my symptoms. Neither did Zicam (was that what is was called?)

But I'd rather use a pill anyway -- the lozenges (all except for one brand) were filled with GRITTY zinc stuff and irritated the heck out of my tender tonsils when the grit caught in them.

My Centrum Silver has 15mg of Zinc. 100%, they say. But I recognize those amounts are often lower than is needed. Who decides those amounts anyway?
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You have to be careful with selenium however...
http://dietary-supplements.info.nih....s/selenium.asp
It has a narrow therapeutic window, and can be toxic if overused.
200mcg is the typical upper limit (in people eating a typical diet).
I would not recommend more than 200mcg/day in a supplement.
Centrum Silver has only 20mg of selenium (which they indicate is a 29%-- and I eat poorly - scarcely a "good diet", so I will look into a supplement right away.
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I would also consider Googling immune support, and make sure you get
other nutrients for this...besides Lysine only.
"Immune Support" right away, you can be sure. Thank you SO MUCH. Since meeting you, I've added a lot of supplements - high omega fish oil, folic acid, vit B12 (sublingual), a Super B combo (with brewer's yeast & liver base), Calcium with Vit D, and bit of Magnesium. Maybe more, but that's all I can think of now.

I added lisinopril to my beta blocker/diuretic, take thyroid supplement, my Lamictal & Wellbutrin, and estrogen. This immune system weakening again is my only big problem right now - it limits my activites so dreadfully.
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Thank you for your help. I learn a lot from you. You keep on top of all these things.
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Lightbulb ACE inhibitors

Like lisinopril deplete zinc.

You might look into OptiZinc once a day. It is not expensive.
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You could have a zinc deficiency. There is a product that will tell you if you are deficient in zinc. Zinc Status is sold in most health food stores for about $15 or less. This product works, and it better than a blood test done by your doctor.

I have a severe zinc and b6 deficiency. I know what you mean about rejection; I have been knocked on my butt because of psychological stress (or rejection). Zinc is great for the adrenal glands, and it also helps with boosting the immune system if you keep getting colds or infections. I have a hard time handling stress in general because of my deficiencies.

When I started supplementing some time ago I missed one dose because of a stomach ache or something, and I got a cold because of my zinc deficiency and missing just that one dose. The Zinc Status is a handy product to have around because even after supplementing zinc for weeks or months you can still be deficient in this mineral. And the only way you will know this is if you use the Zinc Status to test yourself.

Most of the lozenges contain very little zinc, only a few milligrams at most. But might not be bad during the winter as an adjunct to real zinc supplements, but won't make much difference on their own. I think Zicam is great if you have a cold because it gets the zinc in your nose where it is trying to reproduce itself.

I have fatigue and have tried some lysine. I didn't notice that it helped my fatigue. But I I have read that it can help with fatigue. I think you really have to have every single nutrient you need in order to beat fatigue, especially if this problem may be considered chronic or long standing.

The lysine caused my histamine levels to get high and this caused me to feel depressed rather suddenly. (I don't think lysine is something I need.) I don't think taking one amino acid long term on your own without any medical supervison is a good idea. I think you may have some nutritional problems besides just zinc and might need to find a qualified doctor who can treat your fatigue through a nutritional approach.

I had even tried the William Jeffries approach to treating adrenal fatigue with low dose natural cortisone supplements. That 4 or 5 mg. dose of cortisone just made my zinc deficiency even worse and did not really help the fatigue.

Taking synthetic estrogen makes you high in copper even without the zinc deficiency. When estrogen goes up in the body so does copper. Women you use anovulatory meds can have a problem with metabolizing vitamin b6. You may need some pyridoxine and p-5-p form of b6 besides the zinc if you have any hormonal problems.

The low thyroid is another reason to think you probably have a zinc deficiency. Selenium is also needed for the thyroid to function properly.

Because you have a couple of health conditions it would be best to be seen by someone who is qualified to help you with your nutritional issues.
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Lightbulb Beware Zicam...

I do not recommend this product.

Application of topical zinc (even in small quantities) to the nasal membranes, can
potentially affect the sense of smell, (and taste) permanently for some people.

This has been in the news quite a bit, and here is a website
that has information on it. This last link on it, discusses the settlement
to a class action suit against Zicam:
http://www.zicamsideeffects.com/claim/zicam-suit.html

And this medical site goes into more detail:
http://www.tasteandsmell.com/apr04.htm

So beware any nasal product applied directly, that contains zinc.

I have seen the "new" swab product... I wouldn't use that either. It appears to be some compromise as it won't reach the olfactory bulb directly...but still I would NOT use it.

Oral daily doses are to be preferred.

The drug Biaxin, has also been shown to affect smell/taste.
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