Look deeper into K1. It requires you to earn $ 15,000 to sponsor someone in. I am on medicare and medicaid. They don't want a poor person bringing a poor person into the states. I get that. He does have enough to sustain his visit, and proof. My son could co sign, but they make that awful too, because it really is signing for his whole family, kids, grandkids and all. That is co-sponcership. Do I want my son to have to do that????? I wanted it to be finacee route (K1) because we do plan to marry. First was getting copy of his original birth certificate. You do not know how Jamaica runs. They said 6 weeks, that was back in March. He has been to Lucy 4 times to check on it, hell they don't know anything. He paid $60 for that too. (our money)
On his end all he was wanting to do is visit.( yes marry if possible) He could care less about any green card, or staying here. He is a community leader, and very involved in his neighborhood, in fact a number of them. . Pure love. He can be denied at his end for any reason. They do not even have to tell him why. He does not want to become American, just marry me. I would consider duo citizenship even though our country doesn't really like that.( I would lose my benefits if I chose to live with my husband for longer than 29 days, without returning to the USA.) I would need Jamaican Insurance. If I can't stay there, and he isn't allowed here, well.... it seems to be a problem. Waves, we have already been at this, working toward it since March, there has been no progress at all on his end. We need a lawyer, and I will do that if I have to when my house sells.
I will not have a long term affair, and it is against his morals. This needs to be before God in Marriage. One way or the other I will figure a way.
I have looked into how he does this on his end, going to the embassy and all. What you don't know is only a few each year, are allowed to visit. He would like to see the Dahali Museum and a few others, and get some experiences he does not have in his country....reason for visit. Should be simple but it isn't. So it appears I will marry in Jamaica. ginnie

replied to both at the same time. Love you both. ginnie

Bless you dear Ginnie!
((((((HUGS))))))
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I was born and raised in the West Indies. I actually have a clue.

I do advise you to see a lawyer. I am confused about the objectives... further on you say he isn't interested in a green card, but here you talk about potential sponsorship of extended family. Your son could cosponsor him and any minor children. Fiance sponsorship would not include adult children, or their children. He himself could petition for adult children, but only after he got a green card. I am sorry, but I seem to be missing something, in a big way. Anyway the situation sounds complicated if all this extended family is to be involved.

A B visa should be obtainable, as long as he shows he can support himself and intends to return to Jamaica. He could visit you while you are in therapy. You guys could still marry! Later, either he goes back to Jamaica and you with, or he can change his status. Once he is inside the US, that can be done, and then paperwork will go through US side, not through Jamaica any more. Status is US-side. Visa itself is only needed for entry.

Yes, they can deny anyone, it is their prerogative, but they'll only do it if they see him as a liability. And it might take time. If he has a passport, he won't need the birth certificate for a B visa. Otherwise, it might be time for him to get a lawyer there, if nothing else but to help push papers through channels and play golf with people who can, or you know.

And before you run off to the islands, make sure you can be insured and have benefits on pre-existing, because that alone could be a problem.... also age-wise, and cost-wise.

Take care, Ginnie. I wish you well, both of you.

I will keep your post, with information I have regarding this whole issue. He doesn't want the green card which is funny, and his family doesn't want to come here either. They are all grown up and he has grand kids. He never married before. He never thought this would happen either.
We will extend all effort first to go through his side, as you recommended. If denied, then we seek the lawyer. Our objective is to get married in any which way we can. Here, there, doesn't matter. We were origionally told to get the K1 was the fastest way. But after I found out all about that, it kind of put a hold on that idea. Won't marry until I visit my own SS office, and look into their insurances, etc. I actually have a list going.

If you can think of any other ideas, I am open to all. I don't just listen, I write it down and have a folder for all the information.
So far we are stuck with this original birth certificate. He had one, but it was so smashed they required another to proceed with the application process.

Not discouraged waves, it is just that I am getting older, and I don't want to wait years to have this chance at some happy. My son can pay for flights, and that really is the only expense other than more food. I am not use to eating such a limited diet. WE have so much more variety.

When I got home, I have to say, I said "Oh Boy" when I got food for my fridge. I swear I would live in a grass hut if I had to, to be with this person. My parents would have freaked! I would be thrilled!

Thank you for caring waves. At my age (64) I sure was not expecting to like anyone, much less love someone. I had not dated in 20 years, and didn't want to. I wish you could have heard some of the conversations we had about this! I didn't want a boy friend, lover, husband, only friend, and had decided that a long long time ago.
Life threw a big big curve, and I am going to race around that track! Thanks again. ginnie

Hi Ginnie,

Honey, you do not want a visa denial. It will make things that much more difficult. Whatever you do, make it something you feel confident will be approved. Get legal advice if you have to, before... not after you are denied.

I feel for you with all this crud. It's just not fair.

I know what you mean, I am a bit younger, but still past the "marrying age" if you know what I mean, and really not looking. I am happy for you.... just hope it will work out, somehow, and somewhat fast.

Can I toss a few questions at you, to get the situation better?

--- Did I get you correctly, that K1 allows a cosponsor (your son could), so the income requirement would not be an obstacle?

--- Does your man have a passport?

--- Has he ever been to the US before (if so, under what visa)?

Eventually, if you guys will live in the US, he will have to apply for permanent residence a.k.a. a "green card". It doesn't make him American, it only gives him right to live in America.

Entering US with K (fiance) visa gives him a fiance status that is contingent upon marriage w/in 90 days. It enables him 1) work and 2) to apply for immigrant status (green card) after marriage. If he doesn't marry within the time period his status lapses. Once a person is "out of status" they cannot reacquire status other than by leaving the US and re-entering.

Entering US with B (visitor) visa gives him visitor status. He can marry but he does not have to. He cannot work and cannot apply for green card. If he marries, he must request change of status in order to do anything else.

Change of status is tricky. The law has fixed time periods where they presume an intent to immigrate/change status was already present or absent. You want to be in the neutral zone, or in the presume-intent-absent time period, before you appoly for change of status. Similarly, getting married could indicate a premature intent to change status. It would be best to get married once you are in the "neutral zone", unless there is a plan for you to return to Jamaica. I saw a lawyer about this... an immigration lawyer... that's who told me. But it was years ago and laws change and get tweaked. That's why you need a lawyer for this.

K-1 I agree would be the "cleanest" way to go forward. If your son can cosponsor, I would do it that way. His adult family does not enter into that at all. It's mostly a formality, but your son will be responsible should this man fall ill or something.

If you go K-1, bear in mind, there could be a wait for the visa. The other problem is once he is in the US, and the green card processing is under way, he might not be able to travel... or might not be able to get BACK into the US if he does, until processing is complete. You'll need to find out about that.... whether he can be fly back and forth or not with a K visa.

I will keep you in mind, and keep on hoping for the best for you.

waves

He does not have a passport. That was why he had to have the new birth papers. He has never left Jamaica. Pass port comes before Visa.
No one we talk to, thinks he will get an OK to Visit. The Embassy isn't up to snuff, and like I say, if you look at them wrong, they deny you.
Yes, Sean could sponsor him in for income requirements. He is willing to do so. However, legally in the writing, you also take responsibility for the whole family, not just my Rasta. I think they do this to discourage you from having a co-signer to begin with. It is binding in a legal way also. God forbid, if Joseph had some issues in this country, Sean would be responsible for him. No we don't think that would be an issue. He does have a job in Jamaica (God bless that) That is how he has proof of ability to sustain himself here for however long he is allowed to stay.
The more I think about this, the more I think you are right. I should get the lawyer who handles this kind of thing.
I have started to look into, compassionate care options well. There are some clauses for a person coming into the country to "care" for a disabled person. Just heard about this, and will do the research there.

If he can just get the Visa, yep, marry, and try to figure out how to join our lives. I am going to get a very tiny villa here, in an over 55 community, or rather my son is. He will move me there, and I will continue to pay rent as usual. Still lots of hurdles and jumps to go through. I am so glad I know you waves. Thank you for caring about me. If you want to see a few cool pictures, PM me and I will send them to your e-mail via my samsung if you would be curious.
I won't lose the information you sent. I pass it on to my son who is also trying to help me. xxxginnie

Ahhhh! That explains it. He needs to get his passport! Ack!

Ick. See, this is another sticky point where, possibly, a local lawyer -- someone with a name and contacts -- could possibly be of help. Although most times a visa is handled in person. But if there's doubts like this, doesn't hurt to get a lawyer behind you, especially as this is an important issue. It's not like he just wants to fly up to go to Disney.
You are sponsoring your husband. The sponsorship, or co sponsorship, does not cover adult children. Only minor children, under 21 and unmarried. Other family members, including any adult or married children, do not acquire any immigration rights through this process. Consequently, none of you (not even him) are "responsible" for them, as far as US law is concerned.

This is as far as I know, but I've known a lot of people with green cards, and this is the first I've ever heard of adult kids much less grandkids getting looped in. Where did you read this?That's a very good idea!! If nothing else, documentation to show he is going to be assisting you could certainly improve chances of visa approval, or maybe expedite it. One can hope, lol.

Keep looking, keep digging. It is hard. I am done with the hurdles, sort of. In the back of my head, I sometimes wonder if I will get a nice curve ball back to the US, maybe, someday, somehow. Florida is the only place I have ever felt at home, ever, in my life. But nobody cares about that. I could move back to the islands, but I no longer have contacts there and my parents sold our house. It would be horrifically expensive plus no jobs in my field.... I don't see it.

waves

I don't know where you are getting your info, but some things are not right. The limits, or quotas, apply for immigrant visas (i.e., people applying for a green card).

A visitor visa is a non-immigrant type visa, and there are no quotas for this. I googled this to see if something changed. Apparently not:

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...visas_12672011

Read it on line when they were hashing through all the implications of what co-sponsorship is. Of course you can't believe everything you read on line either.
I best do the Lawyer, and look into that compassionate care thing. Will start to look for a lawyer this coming week. Heck that is scary too, getting someone that is just in that field is what I will do. Thanks Waves. xxxginnie