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Old 06-24-2009, 09:03 AM #11
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THANK you so much. I have Jarrow's Methyl b-12 1000. I am taking two. Should I take more? I will go back and read what I read. It was either on your posts or on Rose's website about fatigue and the shots. My doctor just started giving me a shot a month starting in October and she said I should by now feel the effects. I lost the paper to find out what my test's results were.
I could ask her when I have my next blood test for diabetes in July if I could have another test.
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I don't know if that was the quote that bothered me yesterday. If true do you know for how long?
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When people are severely low in B12, and you flood the system with it with a shot, the body responds by making new red blood cells if you are severely anemic. It is important to realize that 1000mcg entering your body suddenly is a huge amount...when 2-4 micrograms is the RDA it is used to using.

Oral is not absorbed totally, so it is much more gentle.

What happens then in severely anemic people who are low in B12 is that the red cell factory goes into overdrive, and uses up the potassium you have hanging around. This is a survival mechanism so the potassium may become low temporarily. Low potassium gives weakness and severe fatigue, and if really low will result in cramping of muscles. Eating foods high in potassium may help this. Cantaloupe, V8 juice, bananas, oranges, potatoes, meat, are good sources. V8 has more potassium in a 12 oz can than many RX potassium capsules!

This may be the reason for the "fatigue" after the shots.

I really think using the oral route, is more efficient and gentler for you. 2000mcg is okay, but if you know your number is really low 5000mcg daily for a month or two would be better. Try the 2000mcg now, once a day, on an empty stomach, and you should see some response. Some people claim within a week, but I don't see how that can be really. Expect to see some effects in a month or so.
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thank you so much for the explanation....now I wonder if i could be deficient in potassium also. My diet has been atrocious. I am going to order some potassium.
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thank you so much for the explanation....now I wonder if i could be deficient in potassium also. My diet has been atrocious. I am going to order some potassium.
you are a goldmine!
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Potassium supplements are USELESS. They cannot have more than 99mg in them per FDA rules.

You need to eat 4500mg a day to keep up. Please don't waste your money on potassium pills purchased over the counter.

The RX kind from your doctor may have 600-800mg/tablet.
1/2 cantaloupe has 1200 mg by comparison.

This website can help you choose foods high in potassium:
http://www.nutritiondata.com/

Do not self medicate with high doses of potassium (should you find some) without first consulting your doctor. Food is the best way to go.
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Thank you mrs.D, you always come thru with the best information.
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thank you so much. I won't buy the supplements. I also read that too much potassium could kill you. that website is fantastic. i noticed there is even potassium in coffee :-) I like cantelope.
Thanks again for being such a goldmine of information. I appreciate it so much.
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When I am dragging and need a pickmeup...I do V8 (low sodium).
I have to do the low sodium for my blood pressure.

You can do the regular-- it tastes better too. about 600-800mg in one can. (I think the regular is 600 and the low sodium is a bit higher closer to 800.)

It is convenient and easy.
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thank you so much. i will buy some. it is also low in calories. since i stopped smoking I have gained even more weight. I am so glad I quit smoking :-)
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wow!!!!
bobby you quit smoking, I forgot that you did this or did not know.
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Dear Bobby,

This pubmed article concludes that taking vit D can help with depression.
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Jorde R, Sneve M, Figenschau Y, Svartberg J, Waterloo K.
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OBJECTIVES: The objective of the present study was to examine the cross-sectional relation between serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D [25-(OH) D] levels and depression in overweight and obese subjects and to assess the effect of vitamin D supplementation on depressive symptoms. DESIGN: Cross-sectional study and randomized double blind controlled trial of 20,000 or 40,000 IU vitamin D per week versus placebo for 1 year.

SETTING: A total of 441 subjects (body mass index 28-47 kg m(-2), 159 men and 282 women, aged 21-70 years) recruited by advertisements or from the out-patient clinic at the University Hospital of North Norway.

MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Beck Depression Inventory (BDI) score with subscales 1-13 and 14-21.

RESULTS: Subjects with serum 25(OH)D levels < 40 nmol L(-1) scored significantly higher (more depressive traits) than those with serum 25(OH)D levels > or = 40 nmol L(-1) on the BDI total [6.0 (0-23) versus 4.5 (0-28) (median and range)] and the BDI subscale 1-13 [2.0 (0-15) versus 1.0 (0-29.5)] (P < 0.05). In the two groups given vitamin D, but not in the placebo group, there was a significant improvement in BDI scores after 1 year. There was a significant decrease in serum parathyroid hormone in the two vitamin D groups without a concomitant increase in serum calcium.

CONCLUSIONS: It appears to be a relation between serum levels of 25(OH)D and symptoms of depression. Supplementation with high doses of vitamin D seems to ameliorate these symptoms indicating a possible causal relationship.

It's great when you can start putting together pieces of the puzzle.

Also, I hope that oral methylcobalamin helps you soon.


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