[Alffe]

I wonder if Thelma knows that it's impossible for me to stop wondering.... (((Thelma)))

[Bobbi]

Originally Posted by wannabe

If it's considered a "game" for those that use SL for purely enjoyment purposes, what's the goal? What do you work towards? Is it to build your assets like monopoly then? How do you "win" or "lose" then? What do you "do" there?

Bobbi, that makes sense, how it could really augment RL exchanges too. Is it like a forum then (a discussion place), only with more virtual aspects to how you interact, like adding more dimensions to the exchange by giving you avatars and RL characteristics whereas a forum is quite flat in that you're only a name and words, this adds more substance to "who" you become in the virtual world? What's the 'purpose' to it for those just gaming?

I guess I wouldn't pay for membership to a forum either. And I sure didn't think I was "crucifying" anyone. ouch.

Good questions, Wannabe . I can't really answer for others (and there are so many thousands of SL members). There is another Isle, in SL, and it's by and for people with Cerebral Palsy (Live2Give); another Isle was founded by Support for Healing. Aside from health-related aspects and use of SL, some, I do know, use it as a type of release valve (winding down from stress - of RL work; some are doctors and interns) and the enjoyment of creating - items either given away or sold. Too, there are others who participate and offer "classes" and some who sell things and give monies raised to various charities.

It's not really a win/lose 3D "world," but one that is built on synchronous interaction and what individual members wish to use it for and make of it . Because it is live-time interaction, it's also a dynamic medium that ever-evolves.

So, I suppose, it all depends on whom is asked, since there are myriad reasons people have joined SL.

P.S.: I'm on vacation right now (and want to head south along the coast today); other than that, if I had more time, I'd look for a few links that could probably explain better than I've done. I may have more time tomorrow. But, for now, the beach awaits my arrival. Ohhh, sure it does .

[JoJo6]

aaaahhhh my favorite dancing partner I do not have any dates before me, but if my memory serves me right it has not been THAT long since BT became non-profit! John made a big todo about it and we all congratulated John, BT and everybody else that felt a part of the "program".

I was thinking it actually came about shortly after the "big money drive" for the server and other things. I could be wrong, but nevertheless it was not far in between and it has not been a long time.
I agree with what Thelma, Chemar and Curious and several others said. JohnLester does not"owe" us his time or money or anything except to be treated with some respect. He may be a genius, he is very smart, he used to act like a human being and he DEMANDED we respect his Moderators and David H.just because HE said so.

there is much here that does not meet the eye. Also many people that depended on BT as their life line, very ill people. For 2 months if they have tried to log into BT y'all know what they got. I worry for these people because I talk with them and sometimes I speak on the phone to some of them.
It was sad to see them send JL money for a server when they hardly had food to eat, couldn't afford their meds. etc.

Many people mentioned that he never even gave a thank you. I guess we just want to be treated like human beings too. I think that is where he has failed him. I know members sent him money off and on a long time, which is great and I don't doubt he put his own money in.

He needs to remember his humble beginnings. He may be a genius, but he could not have built his impire without the people, us, the members!! JL didn't do it ALL by himself.

[Username]

If it comes to be that JL walked with the money, I will be in line with everyone else holding a stone to throw at him.


Added: Like I said though, that's yet to be proven.

[DocJohn]

Over 2 months now. The message has been down now for more than a few days. No update, no word to the thousands of people who depended upon the community. Some on a daily basis.

At this point, I guess we should stop holding our breaths waiting for its return and just get on with life and building this community.

It's sad, but I also think we shouldn't read too much into a person's motives or behaviors without them being here to defend themselves. Instead let's focus on the positive and what can be built here.

John

[JoJo6]

You are right DocJohn. I see the beginnings of something very good for all that care to be a part of. thank you for reminding us of our goal as to helping others, share their happy moments, share their sadness, but encouraging all the time, to all!! I'm going to work on a list of people we left behind and see if I can help at least some find their way here.

Can't thank you enough, DocJohn. thanks to all the good people that have helped in ever way thats needed. take care, Jo

[The Crystal Cave]

Originally Posted by Username

If it comes to be that JL walked with the money, I will be in line with everyone else holding a stone to throw at him.

Added: Like I said though, that's yet to be proven.

The server saga and dollar stuff is here:
http://zero.hastypastry.net/forums/

Truly, I don’t know a single person who could "walk" for very long on $3,000. Lordy, I’d put it in a piggy bank and give it to him in a heartbeat. I'm not a happy camper about being let down and disrespected, but O think questioning the man's integrity is over the top.

Dr. Grohol, that was a pretty crummy thing to do, putting up a rational, empathic message just before I hit reply to post my diatribe. You popped the puff right out of it. I just hate it when that happens.

Onward.

TCC

[anonymous_no_more]

Originally Posted by DocJohn

Over 2 months now. The message has been down now for more than a few days. No update, no word to the thousands of people who depended upon the community. Some on a daily basis.

At this point, I guess we should stop holding our breaths waiting for its return and just get on with life and building this community.

It's sad, but I also think we shouldn't read too much into a person's motives or behaviors without them being here to defend themselves. Instead let's focus on the positive and what can be built here.

John

It is ironic that JL has now entered the domain of a person who takes funds and disappears, and is now the center of another "inquiry"...terribly, deeply ironic.

And the swarm of innuendo continues...some things never change.

Why not enjoy the day...utilize this new forum...and when/if BT reappears, let this JLester person account for everything. If it never comes back...hold on to the memories of those benefits that one once derived from it having been there. No one can make someone morally accountable.

Have we ever considered that something in this person's life may be keeping him from completing the task? Or, perhaps, that he has lost the desire? Or, that he HAD the desire to get BT back up, but came here, saw the silliness, and lost that desire? I could go on an on, and on with variations on a theme.

We can all agree that this isn't the desired state; we could go on and on as to the "why's of BT not being available, who has been let down, and the lack of communication" forever and ever. What does it solve, other than digging a deep whole that JLester may never be able to fully explain, resolve, or dig out of...time to move on.

I like Jo's idea of finding all the lost souls, and directing them here.

One problem solved.

[newbie]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14783327/

IF this is true. I hope John spends time in protecting peoples bank accounts and Identity rather than spending time worring about the selfishness posted here.

[stevem53]

Im afraid now that its blatently obvious that there is more to this that what meets the eye..Strange..real strange