lost the whole post argggghhhhhh charlie brown

yes we have our own gravitational pull, but our solar system is also manipulated by this super massive black whole as are other stars in the Milkyway, i love talking science, me and deb go at it a lot lol

I always watch shows like this or read books like those, I have always been a self taught person, like a long time ago I was reading "The Chariots Of The Gods", while I recouped from a broken back. After reading it i thought, hmmm wonder what he based his ideas on and dang near read all the books he used as his main resources. Books like 'Epic Of Gilgamesh', the Quran, Bible, the Mayan book Popol Vuy, the Hindu book Bhagavad-Gita(yes I am the same person that asked if you ever read 'zippy the pinhead' comics lol). The one thing that scared me was they all had a Flood story all of them. and they all described the gods ascending, fiery thunderous bright lights strong forceful ascensions. then one morning a few years later I was delivering papers as a part time job along with my full time, but one morning the shuttle took off and they had it on the radio, and the person described the shuttle almost like it was described in those books, I had to pull over i got the heavie weebies so bad it was freaky, it was a goose bump moment, sorry to go OT, sue me lol

oh man, Frank

I am a huge Gilgamesh Fan...I am going to have to pique your brain about it sometimes...

and yes to the flood theory and I have read something about that but I have to go find it...

ooooh...this is so awesome...you are a very smart dude, Frank!

my eyes are about to shut and my brain has shut and probably will come back and read some mumbo jumbo that I've posted without doing research or making sense...LOLOL

you and everybody have a great weekend and I will have to go and read up on some stuff and so we can "go" at it...LOLOLOL



BTW, never read Zippy the Pinhead comics but now you've got me "curious" LOLOL I will have to go look it up, thanks!

hi Frank, I had remember that I read an article that debunks the massive black hole's gravitational pull on galaxies (unless they are within the radius) and did some search. While this one seems to be outdated and I've read both supporters and detractors of the theories you've posted(thank goodenss NT was down, I learned a lot of stuff today. LOLOL) For me, mathematically, this article makes more sense to me.

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/que...php?number=150 (and yeah, it has "curious" in it's address name LOL)

As with every theory that is out there about our universe. A lot of them are just theories and I am open to all theories so I am not throwing away your view yet, actually. The more I read about it I do tend to agree with you and its supporters. However, I am still with the group that agrees that our solar system has its own relativity of gravitational pull within itself (I'll try to explain my view at the end of this post) It has been very interesting reading up on them and I can say that I am only more confused than ever...LOL (But did LEARN some stuff)

This is what is great about these discussions, we can all chip in on our ideas and then go look for things to support or unsupport the ideas.

btw, which Gilgamesh books have you read? The one that I really love is:

Gilgamesh: By John Gardner and John Maier.

John Gardner wrote the "Sunlight Dialogues" which you might find interesting.

He died in 1982 in a motorcycle accident. However, he did left his last work, a typescript of Gilgamesh which he painstakenly translated mainly from "Sin-leqi-unninni" (who's been credited of marrying the Sumerian and the Akkadian versions of Gilgamesh together) to be published and John Maier did a good job helping to see it to print.

(don't quote me on this but I think the Akkadians conquered the Sumerians and not sure why that is of any significance except for another fun trivia. LOL)

anyways, they printed out all the texts that were found up to that point and included the original texts (translated, of course) in the book. All cuneiforms, complete, incomplete or what not were all included.

To me, they did a great job explaining the text (which was written in prose) and it is a great read. Small paper back.

It talks about that Noah-like dude, Utnapishtim, in more depth than some of the other versions I've read. And it explains the conflict of Ishtar a bit more. And then it goes into more depth about Enkidu.

http://www.amazon.com/Gilgamesh-John...9561752&sr=8-1

I still haven't found my book about the flood being in all major religions but I am almost certain that I did read that Gilgamesh (in Cuneiform and considered by many to be the first novel) was where the very first flood was mentioned (in writing) and then it trickled down onto other religions (I am NOT turning this into a religious talk, folks, just what I've read. )

anyways, just thought you might be interested.

If you have any books that you really love that you think I might be interested, throw the titles my way.

I'd love to read more on whatever ideas...it's really exciting to learn!

I do have to tell you, after all the readings I've done today on Black holes, it's made this already huge black hole of mine bigger...think I have enough gravity to pull my sanity in? LOLOLOL

Oh, BTW, I did read something very interesting today which I never knew...black holes used to be called :Frozen Stars

it wasn't until John Wheeler called his theory "black holes" that black holes became popular...always cool to learn something new!



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btw, Frank

I do want to say that I am still with you on the super black hole being the main gravitational pull. But I still do believe that our solar system has it's own gravitational pull.

while there are many reasons, the main one would be: If the black hole is so strong, it would make not only the sun, but each planet and asteroids and comets and belts revolve around the black hole rather than the sun.

so IMHO I still think that our solar system as a whole, gravitates(revolves) around the black hole as one entitity (as you've mentioned. )

Let me see if I can attempt to illustrate this. LOL

If I use "S" for Sun and each planet's first letter for this equations, i.e. "E" for earth. (And I'll avoid the asteroid belts and others to avoid confusion on my part but I'll throw in Pluto for good measurement. LOL)

so S{m,v,e,m,j,s,u,n,p} (all the planets inclusive in the Sun)

and BH will equal black hole

so BH [S{m,v,e,m,j,s,u,n,p}]

anyways, this has been a great learning experience, thanks for bringing this up. I've had a lot of fun researching today.

Bonjour Who Moi!!!

Comment sa va aujourd-hui?

Now I'll put my question into english and I CAN'T WAIT FOR YOU TO ANSWER.

In all honesty, how do you think life began on this planet?

Get crackin!!! lol

Melody

Mel, I don't think I am smart enough (heck, I don't even think I am smart enough in the first place. LOL) to even tawk about how life began on this planet...

plus, we'd then have to consider the religious aspect of what some might define how life began and then...well, it would just be too beyond my black holed brain to even comprehend. LOLOL

I think it should be explained by people a lot smarter than I am..and there are tons of people here that are! LOLOL

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But, I will tell you how life started pour moi:

My dad was hitting on my mom one day by making eyes or something, and then you know, the earth moved under their feet and the heavens shook (so they said, could be just a cheap bottle of ChampAGONY. LOL)

and then there was this little tiny tadpole looking thing, his name was "Bob"

he was a really good swimmer, he swam at the speed of light so someone called him: lightning Bob.

when the gate opened, Bob got ahead of everyone and he was really proud of himself, he didn't know where he was going, really...but he just knows that he's been preparing his whole life for this...

then he bumped into this round thing that was really huge, blocking Bob's way...so Bob looked up and saw this round Egg looking thing making eyes with him...and he asked her politely,

"ma'am, would you mind moving? I have to keep on swimming..."

"why Bob, where are you swimming to?" she asked

Bob didn't know the answer but he's always known about the Holy Land that his friends talked about...it was called the "Bmow" (B is silent)

(most of Bob's colleagues were dyslexic)


So Bob said, "I am going to MOW"

The Egg then smiled..

"mow?? Are you a good mower??"

Well, Bob didn't know what a mower was but he was not going to admit that he wasn't a good mower, so he said yes, he was...

The Egg then said, "OK, I will pay you 10 bucks if you stick around and mow my lawn for me."

At that time, 10 bucks were a lot of dough. So Bob stuck around, lost his tail and now, some 40 and some change years later

here I am about to go outside to mow the lawn for FREE...

You are one funny tadpole!!!

Melody

Moi, with the way you skirted that question you would make one heck of a politician LOL ...Sue

Ah, but what if gravity is not a "pull" from within, but a wave from without?

I miss the Geezer. He would have been all over this discussion.

me thinks it might be both, actually. I was just thinking about something similar last night....

what if gravities are like personalities?

what if the black hole are only attracted to the Stars and NOT the planets?

that would make sense cause whenever I try to attract Jennifer Aniston, she runs away from me and goes to Brad da Pitts...*pout...

but seriously, wonder if Gravity has more to it than we know or can define it? We know it manipulates weight (not mass) and we know it has pulls, but if it just pulls, how come things aren't crashing? There might just be a PUSH as well??

see, very smart diversion!! Wish the geezer was here also!!

and sue, *pow....LOL

mel, set sue straight, will ya?? See if you can throw a pedegg at her and make her gravitate toward your pasta maker...LOLOL

OK, who wants to take a crack at ancient technology? like the Egyptians, Mayans, Greeks?

I remembered seeing the show on Archimedes (the famous ancient Greek inventor) on History Channel and then started to read up on him.

He created machines (I think computers for that time, really) that are still mind boggling til this day. They did some recreations on the show and it was really awesome...

so it makes me wonder, why do we think that we have only advanced in the past 100 years or so?? When there is a wide array of people acknowledging that even with our technical advances today, it would be hard to recreate the pyramid and other ancient structures?

Frank brought up a good point. If those people were so primitive, how did they make such accurate engineering calculations??

The pyramid was less than 1 inch in error....can you imagine????

goose bumps..LOL