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Old 10-06-2013, 03:23 PM #15
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Parminides,

Do you recall if your lower right wisdom tooth was extracted and that is what was left behind? It looks like the crown portion (the top) of a wisdom tooth that is remaining in the bone.

Yea, I am concerned about the spread of bacteria and bone loss associated with tooth #8. I know you want to put that area on a back burner but that might not be such a wise thing to do. According to ancient chinese medicine, that area of the mouth is connected to the urinary and renal collecting system. Which means the bacteria from that area will likely travel to those other systems. I can tell you from my professional experience that I know of patients who had infections in the upper anterior teeth who also had bladder, prostate and/or renal problems.

The yellow line that you drew (nicely articulated by the way) could be where the fracture was or that could be your normal anatomy. I see a possibility more towards the center of the tooth, just left of the center that starts at the crown of the tooth and travels down through the pulp chamber into the distal portion (near the back) of the mesial root (first root). Did the dentist show you where the crack was? Do you know how you cracked that tooth?

Yea, there is a small void in the bone just below the gum line where tooth #19 was. Frequently a dentist will not pick up on this

The darkened areas on the panorex pertaining to your lower right side may be indicative of an infection. A periapical xray may be helpful in determining that. If it is, I would tend to think it could be linked to that odd wisdom tooth in that quadrant. You said that area has looked dark on other panorex films. Has the darkened area gotten larger? Is there any drainage or pain in that area? What have your dentists said about it? How did that area show up on your CT scan? If it has not been evaluated by an oral surgeon, I think it should be.

I'm not positive if the roots of your lower molars go directly into the mandibular canal. Keep in mind these are only 2 dimensional xrays. The CT scan may have showed something different as you said.

Regarding the travel of bacteria from an infected tooth to another area of the body... it depends on what area of the body shares the same meridian path with that tooth. Here is a chart that shows those paths....
http://toothbody.com/wp-content/uplo...v2.1_rehme.swf

The dentist who extracted #19 may have been able to tell if he was in the mandibular canal because that area feels different than bone when you touch it with an instrument the texture of the blood may be different also. But typically general dentists do not really look for these signs.

There are a variety of possible complications regarding infection and the mandibular canal. Each case would be different. Some people may have temporary or permanent numbness, others may have radiating nerve pain, some could have temporary or permanent facial paralysis, others may end up with further infection.

I think you definitely have long roots!!! It is very possible that the posterior teeth are either in or in close proximity to your sinuses. The pan is just a 2 dimensional xray.... so it can be deceiving when trying to view it from that perspective.

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Bryanna, thank you for looking at the images.

Yes, other people have mentioned the wisdom tooth remnant, which has been interpreted as another root tip (although it looks too wide to me).

Other people have also mentioned that the bone loss associated with #8 has spread and will potentially affect other teeth. When I had #8 pulled in September 2012, they added a bone graft or some kind of filler. Other than that procedure, I've put #8 and its neighbors on the back burner until I have a handle on this leaky #19 extraction site.

You said that you think #19 had a crown to root fracture. Would you look at the attached image? Does the yellow line I added correspond to what you think might be the fracture?

You also mentioned a slightly darkened area just below the gumline on the most recent xray (from last August). That was a very interesting observation. I wonder if you're not on to something there!

There are three things on the panorex I'd like to ask you about. Do you see the dark area under the molar roots on the right side of my mouth (left side of the image)? Notice how much darker it is compared to the same area on the left side. Does that mean anything to you? Is it something to worry about? (It's not an artifact unique to this image. The right side is darker in all the panorexes I've had.)

Do you see how the root channels from the extraction site appear to actually enter the mandibular canal? (This is not an optical illusion. It is evident from the slices of the CT scans.) Why didn't the infection from the original dental abscess go into the canal and travel somewhere else, such as the neck? Do you think that the dentist who extracted #19 would have seen that the channels entered the canal visually after he pulled the tooth, or would everything have been too bloody? What are the possible complications of infected roots impinging on the nerve canal?

Lastly, do you think the panorex indicates that the roots in my upper arch teeth go into my sinuses? I seem to have been blessed (or cursed) with particularly long roots.

Sorry to ask so many questions, but you've finally seen the pictures!
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