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I don't know why my neuro prescribed vit D2,heck I didn't know there was a D2 and D3, I just thought there was just Vit D period. I'm glad I started this thread,I've found out alot of good information from alot people here.
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Diagnosed Probable MS 9/21/07 . Started Copaxone 10/16/07 3-6-9 the goose drank wine the monkey chewed tobacoo on the street car line the line broke the monkey got choked and they all went to heaven in a little row boat... . |
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"Thanks for this!" says: | Dejibo (06-23-2008) |
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Most folks do not know much about this but NGF Nerve Growth Factor is great stuff to have in sufficient quantity to take care of those small? brain repair jobs common to MS folks.
If you are LOW in Vitamin D then you are probably LOW in NGF Nerve Growth Factor also. I probably should start a new thread to elaborate on this topic.(Nerve Growth/Repair) Suffice it to say that Vitamin D makes the body make NGF as stated in the below abstract. http://www.copewithcytokines.de/cope.cgi?key=NGF (a GREAT sources of my info) This is why I take 4000 IUs of Vit D3 supplement each day. The excess is GOOD for MS folks because our NEED is greater. jackD http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9...ubmed_RVDocSum Quote:
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Numerous neurotrophic growth factors help determine which neurons develop in the immature brain and which are retained in the adult brain.
Neurotrophic factors can also induce neurons to sprout axons capable of growing into new locations and forming new synaptic connections, a process that continues in the mature brain. NGF (Nerve Growth Factor) is one essential neurotrophic growth factor. The below links describe how calcium is used in this process and how Glutamate toxicity kills neurons using Calcium in the Second stage of MS. http://www.psychiatrist.com/pcc/brainstorm/br5904.htm (main article) http://www.psychiatrist.com/pcc/brainstorm/br5906.htm (therapeutic potential) http://www.psychiatrist.com/pcc/brainstorm/br5806.htm (Glutamate assassin/excitotoxic neuron murder) The Second Stage of MS is "The Degenerative Stage" in which "excess Glutamate" runs wild on a killing spree. First phase, of course, is the "Inflammatory Stage" of MS. http://home.ix.netcom.com/~jdalton/ms-two-stages.pdf jackD Last edited by jackD; 06-24-2008 at 07:20 PM. |
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Thanks, Jack for all your good information on the subject.
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Diagnosed Probable MS 9/21/07 . Started Copaxone 10/16/07 3-6-9 the goose drank wine the monkey chewed tobacoo on the street car line the line broke the monkey got choked and they all went to heaven in a little row boat... . |
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Hi jackD! You are making want to go to the library and get a biochem book!! I am sure I got rid of my college book when it was 25 years old.
I am concerned that NGF also influences the activity of B and T cells. I would have to understand how a little better. I did find vitamin D3 at BJs Wholesale Club in 1000 IU capsules. I understand why we may need more. I very much liked your last link because it had the best graphic explaining the nerve issues with the chemicals and how Copaxone works in certain situations.If anyone has a little knowledge about biochem you really should take a peek. I don't know how you are finding this material, in its complete form, but I am glad you are sharing it. Its not easy to find more than just an abstract. I know that our dendrites can grow and elongate, http://www-als.lbl.gov/als/science/s...9receptor.html and that is why my neuro told me about Wii actually helping to grow these for folks who can't get enough activity outside of the home. So to keep this back to Vitamin D, it supports the NGF, if I am interpretting this properly. |
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You are right about the Vit D and NGF connection. That techie site... http://www.copewithcytokines.de/cope.cgi?key=NGF says that ... Quote:
That comment about Glucocorticoids (STEROIDS) blocking NGF production is a real bummer. jackD |
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"Thanks for this!" says: | starfish (06-26-2008) |
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I also take some IDEBENONE to get some extra NGF production in my brain. It is a bit expensive and you need to take 2 caps daily.
jackD p.s. It a modified form of CQ-10 and is somewhat difficult to find in stores. I hear the rats love the stuff. I can now make it thru the water maze in a flash. Quote:
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