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I posted these quick and dirty answers to someone's questions, WAY back on about page 35 of this thread:

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Welcome, mamaD.

I'll give the most abbreviated version answers I can, for someone who may prefer that.

1. Your neuro doesn't have to prescribe this?

Not necessarily. Your GP is more likely to be aware of this drug, as well as its safety profile. I would still come prepared with information from the Low Dose Naltrexone site (which means you SHOULD read and understand this information).

2. Any sides?

Start off slow at 1.5 mg, then 3.0mg, then 4.5mg. Side-effects are normally very minor to non-existent when gradually increasing dosage.

Can have slight “rush”, headache and/or nausea the first week or so. Make sure to take it down with a glass of water.

MAY 'stir up' MS symptoms initially (usually no more then 3 weeks), while your body attempts to *re-boot* (lack of a better word).

May experience "lively" dreams; most often a temporary side-effect. Not scary though, like some antibiotics are.


If side-effects become troublesome upon increasing dosage, go back down for a week or two, then try again.

NOTE: LDN IS NOT TO BE COMBINED WITH NARCOTICS, CODEINE OR CRABS.

3. Cost - more or less than Tysabri?

Tysabri is $50,000 - $100,00 a year. LDN is about $10 – $20 per month (but sometimes not covered by your insurance.)

4. Really can notice changes? That is exciting.

For me (almost 18 yrs into the disease; RRMS):

- spasticity PAIN, gone
- claw hand, gone
- fatigue, improved
- better attitude and energy levels
- bladder/bowel function, improved substantially
- able to go off antidepressants (lost 30 lbs)
- take NO other symptom mgmt drugs, except occasional Naproxen
- reduced EDSS (disability) by one point in 9 months
- remained disease progression stable
- have had one attack in 3 ½ yrs, due to an untreated infection. (Was experiencing 4 attacks per year when I went on LDN)

BTW, LDN can be combined with Copaxone (if desired), and is being used "off-label" for MS. Discuss your current meds with Skip of Skip's Pharmacy in Florida. He is GREAT at explaining things, and most experienced at compounding it.
Thought I'd re-post it as some of the same questions are coming up again.

Good luck, Desinie!

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Don't take Potassium pills unless your doctor does blood work on you. Steroids do lower Potassium, as salt is increased from the the steroids. That has happened to me. They usually can do a quick blood test for this. Before and after they do mine.

For leg cramps, I increase my Potassium with foods that are high in it, like bananas, potatoes, spinach, yogurt and many other foods.

Better for you. Google potassium in foods and get a list. Yogurt gives you calcium also. Calcium aids with sleep and spasms. Like the old Grandma saying, have a glass a warm milk before bed. That was because calcium relaxes and calms the nerves. Grandma never knew why. Even hot cocoa and milk works.
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Thanks for the info Cherie. I know very little about LDN.


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I've heard another good vitamin/mineral for spasms, is Magnesium. Calcim and Mag are often combined in one pill/capsule.
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Very true Sally. I take the combo Vitamin pill. Calcium, Magnesium and Zinc. Then Vitamin D and B-12 and some others also. I take the RDA amount or a little more. I don't take huge amounts of any of them. All are taken on the advice of my MS Specialist. The reason is because of my 20+ years of using oral steroids on and off. And a few times IVSM.

I did have a bone density test recently, so far so good. These Vitamin/Minerals are good for the bones especially with age and steroid use. Always ask your doctor first before taking anything. Even Vitamins can interfere with some medication you may be taking. Some vitamins and/or Herbs are bad for MS.

Magnesium is good but if you take too much, diarrhea will result. I am sure you have heard of "Milk of Magnesia". The laxative.
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Very true Sally. I take the combo Vitamin pill. Calcium, Magnesium and Zinc. Then Vitamin D and B-12 and some others also. I take the RDA amount or a little more. I don't take huge amounts of any of them. All are taken on the advice of my MS Specialist. The reason is because of my 20+ years of using oral steroids on and off. And a few times IVSM.

I did have a bone density test recently, so far so good. These Vitamin/Minerals are good for the bones especially with age and steroid use. Always ask your doctor first before taking anything. Even Vitamins can interfere with some medication you may be taking. Some vitamins and/or Herbs are bad for MS.

Magnesium is good but if you take too much, diarrhea will result. I am sure you have heard of "Milk of Magnesia". The laxative.
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I've heard that zinc is not suggested for MS patients. I have no idea why....but I've heard that. Does anyone know if it's true? I had suggested Zicam for a cold and someone said that zinc isn't good for MS. Does anyone know? Thanks!
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That was me. All I know is that is what my neuro told me, and it is listed on the national MS web site as one of the supplements you should avoid or use sparingly. In fact, my neuro only suggests calcium with vitamin D and magnesium (is I want to try it).
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Adding Zinc is not good for some people. All others it is fine, except in very small RDA doses. Zinc is used to chelate excess minerals out of the body, like Copper and Iron. It may chelate (remove) other vitamins and minerals as well. JMO

It is normally found in our bodies like iron is, but an excess or deficiency has been known to occur with some diseases.

Some say PWMS have an over active immune system. Zinc can increase the immune system's ability to fight disease, (or attack it maybe). So maybe that is the main point of why they don't recommend it. It has been known to cause ataxia, lethargy other deficiencies in higher concentrations.

It heals wounds faster, aids in bone and blood development, so some is needed. We get it in cereals, breads, grains and some nuts and other foods we eat.

I have too much Copper in my system, it's been tested, so I take the combo pill which has zinc in it to add some zinc to reduce through chelation the excess copper.

It is supposed to be good for those with ADD, and some skin diseases. It is used in ointment/cream form to help heal burns and cold sores.

This is just my opinion, btw. Just some experience and thoughts about Zinc. Other people may know more and have links.
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I've heard that zinc is not suggested for MS patients. I have no idea why....but I've heard that. Does anyone know if it's true? I had suggested Zicam for a cold and someone said that zinc isn't good for MS. Does anyone know? Thanks!
Thanks you guys for all your input. I can do the spinach, but I stay away from dairy because I kind of do Swank. No, yogurt, or Milk. I drink Rice Milk. But I'll look up other foods. Thank you.
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If you don't do any dairy, how do you get your calcium, if I might ask? Calcium is great for leg cramps and the nerves too, not just Potassium. Can you take a calcium supplement?
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