I've read read and reread this thread before thinking of posting, I'm pro life in a way as i dont beleive in abortion unless its for medical reasons or rape etc. but i'm also pro life in my husbands life, if these were aborted fetus we were talking about being aborted for the sake of science and to help people with diseases not just pd but many many others than no I would be out there screaming Stop It, but this is garbage that can save lives if utiiized properly,we had an article not to long ago in canada where they have made breakthroughs in the use of the cord the sac and the fluid ,they are all rich in stem cells and may be the way to look in another direction untapped so far. So MJF if you browse this place like you did braintalk1 listen up it's people like you who can make the differnce we need strong people in any country who can help in any way. I was dumbfounded when i found out one of our most prolific and popular (to some) Prime Minsiter suffered with and died with parkinsons with nobody but his own family and closest friends ever knowing, this man could also have raised millions and done a lot for parkinsons reasearch here in Canada I have sent an email to his son who is just now getting into politics that maybe just maybe he should think of this and how his father might have lived a better life if somebody will help fight for these disesase where we have be told for decades the cure is just around the corner.I beleive it is just around the corner but dammit somebody out there has the cure I know it and politics just get in the way its time for them to stop and let the scientist find the cure that I think most of us know could be found it they allowed them too anyway I'll be gone for a bit take care

How about all of you in favor of stem cell research go to the labs that help women to conceive? Each of you stand in front of the freezer, and decide which of the cell gets to evolve into a baby and which of them will be implanted in a mother's nurturing womb. What shall you base your decisions on? Maybe because you like the color of one better than the other? Perhaps you have a talent for telling which of the cells will be boys and which will be girls? Or better yet, one of you has the talent to know which of the cells has healthy DNA and which has mutations? After all where is the logic of implanting damaged DNA to replace damaged DNA?

This forum was created for one thing and one thing only. For Parkinson patients who need a venue to make up for the fact that due to some unknown reason they were not allowed to acheive all they presumed they might achieve because of the disease. Sorry but life ain't fair. You can continue on with your life dispite your limitations and do the best you can. Or you can excuse immoral behaivior, by disobeying God's law , and destroy a life that science created for someone elses needs, not for the child.

Now I will not post anymore on this forum as suggested by my Reverend with whom I had a long discussion through tears after church. After all, he reminded me, the way of Christ is not easy. He is right when he says you have made up your minds already and be sure you are absolutely right. I receive no support of anykind and share nothing in common with any of you. Enjoy your bar-b-que.

Vicky

your very wrong dear we are all here to support each other not to agree with everything they say or think I have a lot of opions not all popular but they are mine and you have yours, your entitled to them as much as I;m entitled to mine not having people agree with you is not a show on nonsupport but eveyone has there own feelings on this topic, it has always been and will always be a very hard one for many Good luck and I hope you stay nobody wants to be in a place where you have to agree but should all be allowed to disagree if warranted thats called being human I also think that personal attacks are less than dignified and should be left out of here steff did nothing to you to warrant that attack on her and her children use the kiss method here it works better

vicky, I think we have been trying to understand you all day. Bullying won't work. People think differently, here's another example:

Bush can reconcile stem-cell research and religious beliefs


2007/3/4
By Michael D. Kerlin Special to Newsday

good grief..i got lost....here's the link...lol

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/editoria...D=103797&GRP=i

paula

okay, I for one will agree to stand in front of the freezer and decide which ones get implanted and which ones can serve purposes other than being poured down the drain. (my husband says it's easy to decide which ones --the ones in the front of the freezer)
and who is in charge of what the purpose of this forum happens to be? I thought I was here to learn from others who have walked this path and to share the new breaking science with one another, to support each other as best we are able, maybe make a few friends along the way--oh, and to whine sometime, too. thanks for enlightening me that I have it all wrong. those nefarious unconscious intents...

others who fervently believe in their religion do not share a universal belief of when life begins

the original author's use of infectious diseases to contrast with the non-advances in PD may be more correct than you think--there are many reserchers/scientists who think sporadic PD may be infectious in origin(remember Teresa? the episodes of infectious encephalopathy which left patients with parkinsonism?) or a latent infection could be triggered by environmental substances or toxins...(read Paul Ewald)

Okay, back to the original proposal--after I stand in front of the freezer to make these decisions (I really want this job!) must I prove I have damaged DNA to qualify ? I do not want to drink a beer and eat brats. Okay, maybe the brat, but I really do not like beer.okay, maybe carta blanca beer sometimes. Perhaps I could have a gin and tonic instead, except I do not like to drink Gin in cold weather--may I wait until the summer, or at least spring?
when did this thread morph into degoratory mischaracterizations of members who are posting? as my mother would say "stop it already".
madelyn

ok....self editing is needed again please or mods/admin will have to intervene

I am asking that this thread return to being an OPEN discussion, not a platform for negative venting about other members who dont agree

PLEASE let the conversation here return to a respectful one for the sake of all the members here who treasure the right to debate without personal attack

feel free to edit anything in my postings I dont think i said anything but I'm not impartial thank you

Chemar don't worry about this forum going too far it doesn't happen. Sometimes we get a bit tense and let our feelings out but not as a regular thing.

If you let it go it's natural route it will all blow over and get back to what it has become. the best forum on the web and not because of this site or Braintalk but because of the people who post here. They are the forum and it is not necessary to enforce any rules on them as they have over the years and long before this site was ever thought of governed themselves accordingly. Many of these members have been around since 1996 and are still here.

So don't worry about them talking about each other as it is done from caring and respect else we/them would have disappeared a long time ago.

Like the kids would say.......................were cool girl

I'm cool too Thelma

It is because I recognise that this Forum IS its members that I do want to ensure that members arent going to be offended or upset when posts are directed at them in a certain tone

Because we do respect this forum, we try not to intervene unless we get reports or are alerted to a potential problem. It is out of respect for the members here that I have not edited a single post on this thread, although some are bordering on breaking the guidelines.
~edited to add: correction.... an edit has been required to one post as per admin guidelines~

So, I am not talking of the disagreement and even some heatedness.....it is that kind of topic......but when members are named and things posted to them in a personal way that could cause upset....well, then I gotta keep my (cool) eye on the discourse

over and out for now
The Cool Chemar

I do hope there is nothing in my post that has caused personal injury.There certainly was no intention and I would be distraught if anything I have said,causes hurt to someone.I am sad to see that I have been personally brought to heel in one of the posts and that my words also have been misinterpreted. But out of sheer respect I do not wish to continue this persons pain.I so wish I had the words to comfort them.
However,in defence of my beliefs generally,can I be allowed a moment to make it clear that I have no strong opinions about stem cell research anyway...not at the minute.I am not at that stage yet to really allow it to govern my thoughts .My flight from church that day was immature and I admonished myself for behaving that way.And I have the greatest of respect for life.A few years ago,laden with drugs and in my 40`s I fell pregnant.
Abortion was never an option.Instead as a Christian I placed my faith in God and prayed that I would keep this much wanted baby.
Despite my health being in the balance,all I could do was plan for this child.
Sadly I lost the baby.
Yes...I have two miracles.And I do my best to show them the best route in life...but out of love,not God fearing.
May I also apologise if anything I have said has upset anyone and by the same token,I have enough love and compassion in my heart to forgive anyone who has taken a "pop" at me.

I guess I will think twice before posting in the future.

Chemar....thanks for your iintervention.
x