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Old 02-14-2014, 02:56 PM #31
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Here's the problem with such diet: PD sufferers have a huge deficiency in dopamine-producing cells. So such a diet would have a minimal effect because of lack of dopamine cells.
The Hinz amino acid protcol tries to fill the dopamine pipeline so that the lack of dopamine receptors is overcome by enough L-dopa to make up the difference.
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so zanpar, your're advocating the non-conventional, unproven, highly expensive hinz treatment over the inexpensive, proven use of l-dopa/carbidopa? may i ask if you have pd and if so, what if anything you take for it?

i don't think lack of dopamine receptors is our problem.
i'm not trying to get in an argument, just trying to seperate opinion from fact.
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Can you please elaborate on some of the foods you should not eat. I got kind of confused when you mentioned that too much insulin made you feel woozy. "Doing this and doing the rest of my diet, creates so little insulin that I have to eat almost fifty percent more calories than otherwise to keep from losing weight. Same with white rice or white bread, white pasta, only whole grains avoid this insulin effect.Cucumbers, squash , pumpkin and bell peppers are fruits.." Is this quote stating that it is ok to eat these foods or not. It would be so much easier if you made a list of the foods you should never eat or visa versa. Very interesting article.
All fruits and vegetables are ok, except soy, .Hi insulin does make me feel a bit woozy but I wouldnt call it suppressed dopamine and this effect from fruits can be defeated by interjecting bites of vegetables or whole grains. Although cucumbers squash, pumpkin and bell perppers are fruits they cause excess insulin the least so dont worry about them. Blueberries do it the most, but anything sweet will do it, orange juice.

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were're all taking very strong medicines, the equivalent of 100's of mgs of dopamine, you think we'd be taking these medicines if diet made a difference? do you know anything about the underlying biochemistry of parkinson's?

it's likely 1 egg has enough tyrosine, a precursor to dopamine, to supply our needs for a week.
people who are fasting for weeks don't start "freezing" because of a lack of dopamine, they can still move. obviously even in starvation we can mfg all the dopamine we need in a normal brain.
i miss 1 dose of my dopamine medicine and i have a very hard time moving smoothly. that kind of tells me diet isn't my problem.

we are lacking the enzyme necessary to produce dopamine from precursors in food and the cells in our brain that store and protect dopamine from being broken down in the brain, we are getting plenty of precursors. and dopamine doesn't penetrate the BBB.

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SOccertease, you are not understanding, the dopamine something such as blueberries cause is due to the reward center of the brain rewarding you for eating something that helps in survival, but more importantly, it is the avoidance of foods that suppress dopamine, probably by having fatty acid types in them that human genes are not familiar with that get inserted into the brain that is the key to this diet working.

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I was just researching foods that increase dopamine last night. We are intrigued by the banana and will try it, among
other foods listed, as a daily supplement, to see if it has an effect.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/34...ne-production/

FOODS THAT INCREASE DOPAMINE PRODUCTION


Low dopamine levels can cause depression, food cravings, loss of satisfaction and motor control as well as poor attention and focus. The brain produces dopamine from an essential amino acid called phenylalanine that it converts into tyrosine in order to synthesize dopamine. Foods that contain phenylalanine or tyrosine and increase dopamine naturally include bananas and high-protein foods such as cottage cheese and meat.
HIGH-PROTEIN FOODS
Dopamine is important for motivation, sexual arousal, healthy assertiveness and the proper functioning of the immune and autonomic nervous system. The University of Maryland Medical Center reports that research indicates stress may diminish the body's capacity to make enough dopamine-producing tyrosine from phenylalanine. Eating foods high in protein is important because the body makes amino acids from protein, which raises the levels of tyrosine in the blood. Foods high in protein include chicken, turkey, soy products, fish, yogurt, cheese and cottage cheese.

According to the Franklin Institute, while eating a carbohydrate-high morning meal has a calming effect because it releases tryptophan in the blood, a high-protein breakfast that raises tyrosine levels can keep you alert, motivated and energized for hours. Your breakfast can be composed of two groups of protein foods. Complete protein foods such as meat, fish, poultry, yogurt and cheese have all eight essential amino acids, whereas legumes, grains, nuts and seeds are incomplete proteins and offer only some of the essential amino acids necessary to the production of dopamine.
BANANAS, APPLES AND WATERMELON
Bananas, especially ripe bananas, are a good source of dopamine. The brown spots on a ripe banana indicate places of high concentrations of tyrosine responsible for the production of dopamine. Ripe bananas can be mixed with yogurt or milk and honey to disguise the ripe taste some people find unappetizing.

Watermelon is another fruit that can raise dopamine levels naturally. It contains great quantities of vitamin B-6, which the body uses in its production of neurotransmitters, including dopamine. Apples contain the antioxidant quercetin that protects the body from free radicals that can destroy dopamine.
BEETS AND AVOCADOS
Beets contain the antidepressant betaine that stimulates the production of SAM-e, or S-adenoslmethionine, essential to the body's production of hormones such as dopamine. Avocados not only increase dopamine levels in the body, the healthy fats they contain increase levels of endorphines, which are also pleasure-stimulating chemicals. Because dopamine is readily oxidized, fruits and vegetables in general, because they are rich in antioxidants, help protect the neurons that use dopamine from free radical damage.
NUTS, SEEDS AND BEANS
Eating nuts and seeds, especially almonds, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds and sesame seeds, helps increase dopamine levels in the body. Beans and legumes are rich in protein and also favor the production of dopamine, in particular lima beans.
WHEAT GERM
Wheat germ is a good dietary source of the essential amino acid phenylalanine that the body uses to convert to tyrosine so that the brain can produce dopamine. Wheat germ can be sprinkled on yogurt or baked into muffins
I see meat on this list of recommendated raise dopamine foods. Anyone I believe can quickly dispel this notion. Wake up in the morning, eat a couple bites of blueberries, wait two or so minutes til you feel the dopanine glow, then eat one bit of meat. Several minutes you will lose that glow as the meat and its fat hits the blood stream. BLueberries enliven a person, meat makes people feel tired, like taking a nap. I guess if you are DEFICIENT in protein, it would be necessary to eat some protein in some form to create some dopamine but virtually no one is deficient in protein and if so, there are non dopamine suppressing ways to correct it. WE dont need to read big studies to determine what increases our dopamine. WE have perfectly good test subject in ourself. Eating meat will not raise your dopamine, it will suppress it beginning in two to five minutes, unless you are malnouished in protein.

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I was just researching foods that increase dopamine last night. We are intrigued by the banana and will try it, among
other foods listed, as a daily supplement, to see if it has an effect.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/34...ne-production/

FOODS THAT INCREASE DOPAMINE PRODUCTION


Low dopamine levels can cause depression, food cravings, loss of satisfaction and motor control as well as poor attention and focus. The brain produces dopamine from an essential amino acid called phenylalanine that it converts into tyrosine in order to synthesize dopamine. Foods that contain phenylalanine or tyrosine and increase dopamine naturally include bananas and high-protein foods such as cottage cheese and meat.
HIGH-PROTEIN FOODS
Dopamine is important for motivation, sexual arousal, healthy assertiveness and the proper functioning of the immune and autonomic nervous system. The University of Maryland Medical Center reports that research indicates stress may diminish the body's capacity to make enough dopamine-producing tyrosine from phenylalanine. Eating foods high in protein is important because the body makes amino acids from protein, which raises the levels of tyrosine in the blood. Foods high in protein include chicken, turkey, soy products, fish, yogurt, cheese and cottage cheese.

According to the Franklin Institute, while eating a carbohydrate-high morning meal has a calming effect because it releases tryptophan in the blood, a high-protein breakfast that raises tyrosine levels can keep you alert, motivated and energized for hours. Your breakfast can be composed of two groups of protein foods. Complete protein foods such as meat, fish, poultry, yogurt and cheese have all eight essential amino acids, whereas legumes, grains, nuts and seeds are incomplete proteins and offer only some of the essential amino acids necessary to the production of dopamine.
BANANAS, APPLES AND WATERMELON
Bananas, especially ripe bananas, are a good source of dopamine. The brown spots on a ripe banana indicate places of high concentrations of tyrosine responsible for the production of dopamine. Ripe bananas can be mixed with yogurt or milk and honey to disguise the ripe taste some people find unappetizing.

Watermelon is another fruit that can raise dopamine levels naturally. It contains great quantities of vitamin B-6, which the body uses in its production of neurotransmitters, including dopamine. Apples contain the antioxidant quercetin that protects the body from free radicals that can destroy dopamine.
BEETS AND AVOCADOS
Beets contain the antidepressant betaine that stimulates the production of SAM-e, or S-adenoslmethionine, essential to the body's production of hormones such as dopamine. Avocados not only increase dopamine levels in the body, the healthy fats they contain increase levels of endorphines, which are also pleasure-stimulating chemicals. Because dopamine is readily oxidized, fruits and vegetables in general, because they are rich in antioxidants, help protect the neurons that use dopamine from free radical damage.
NUTS, SEEDS AND BEANS
Eating nuts and seeds, especially almonds, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds and sesame seeds, helps increase dopamine levels in the body. Beans and legumes are rich in protein and also favor the production of dopamine, in particular lima beans.
WHEAT GERM
Wheat germ is a good dietary source of the essential amino acid phenylalanine that the body uses to convert to tyrosine so that the brain can produce dopamine. Wheat germ can be sprinkled on yogurt or baked into muffins
Whatever gain in dopamine can be had from increasing tyrosine by eating meat, is totally outweighed by the effect its fatty acids crushing our dopamine. And that saturated fat remains in our brains indefintely, thus continuing to suppress dopamine indefintely, thus defeating other attempts to raise our dopamine with diet.

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My brother is going to eat a couple of bites of blueberries some morning after awakening, on an empty stomach, and report if that not only gives him the pleasure rush in a couple of minutes, but also whether it improves his Pardinsons performance.

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reading the first line of this thread I knew that you have no idea what you are talking about and you insult everyone with this disease with your arrogant claims that you never back up with any science. I wish a handful of blueberries would make me symptom free, but that is not reality.
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** my dopamine is highest in the morning. lowest the later at night, which is I assume people get restless leg syndrome the closer to bedtime it gets. BUt Reccommended morning before eating because then the least interference from the steak they ate the night before.

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** foods that raise our dopamine do so by rewarding higher survival activity. I should have added that that dopamine rush, such as from blueberries, lasts only as long as it takes to fully digest whatever it is you ate. But there will be a prolonged effect of higher dopamine if we are familiar historically with the type of fatty acids in the food we are eating, since it end up in our brains. That is why fruits and vegetables , all but a couple of kinds that I listed like any kind of soy, either are good dopamine raising foods or are at least close to neutral enough that almost all of them can be eaten. WHy? Because that was basically our diet during evolution for millions of years in the jungle of Africa and our genes evolved to like them, thus our brains perform better. Makes sense to me as everything I do that prehistoric man did a lot increases my functioning and health. And manmade stuff suppresses all my functions, like elecltronic radiation suppressing my neutrotransmiters and immunitiy but cosmic rays increasing same. So the bottom line is evidently the most familiar to us types and levels of fatty acids we eat, the more dopamine we secret.


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