http://www.dailydot.com/technology/m...ering-devices/

Years ago I experimented with brain machines including cranial electro stimulation (CES.) Now I wonder if that had anything to do with my current malady.

DBS is a brain machine but the devices in this article might be adapted for therapeutic purposes with superior results.

Hi there,

I am brand new to this site and this is my first post so I hope its in the right spot.

Speaking of devices --- Do you, or anyone else, know of this infrared device that helps with mitochondrial growth/stimulation? The link to the device is at the*edit*


The long and the short of this it seems to postulate that the 850nm or so range helps Using the wavelength of 810 nm gives deeper tissue penetration (reaching the deeper areas of the brain).

I am looking at a range of 850-950nm infrared lights for self treatment and would love to hear other thoughts on this topic or get pointed in the right direction. Thanks!

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Have yet to be official diagnosed with PD but in the long process of tests and evaluations at this point. In the meantime -- not one to wait I have embraced a range of protocols in an attempt to mitigate what I can for now.

Hi Complex_CAS

I suggest that you check out PubMed (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed) for evidence of the putative benefits of brain infra-red irradiation in the context of therapy for PD and mitochondrial biogenesis.

PubMed is the standard literature database where biomedical scientists and clinical health professionals report their peer-reviewed findings.

I searched PubMed for various combinations of the keywords "Parkinson's Disease", "infra-red", "mitochondria", "growth" and "stimulation" but did not find anything that convinced me, though I could have missed something.

Try it for yourself - you might spot something which I did not.

Thanks for the response. This being my first post...I was wondering if anyone would respond.
I think there is some interesting literature reference the therapeutic effects of the IR light and I will look for peer reviewed literature and research on benefits to mitochondrial support.

There are some studies here
http://ultraspalighttherapy.com/wp-c...ach-Papers.pdf

Trixiedee

Hi Trixiedee

Thanks for that link - there are some interesting studies there.

However, I think that they are all what are sometimes called "surrogate outcome" studies. That means that the investigators examined the effects of IR radiation on neurons grown in cell culture. It is common for surrogate outcome studies to be misleading as far as the possible clinical benefits of a procedure are concerned.

The contrast is with what are sometimes called "real life outcome" studies.

In this specific context that would involve recruiting people (as many as possible) who have been diagnosed with PD. They would be divided at random into two groups - members of one group would get IR radiation and members of the other group would get a sham (placebo) procedure. It is important in such studies that nobody involved in it knows who got which procedure until the study is over. A neurologist (without knowing who got IR radiation and who got placebo) could assess any signs of clinical improvement in the study participants. When the study is over a comparison of clinical improvement between the two groups can be made.

My understanding is that studies of this type ("double-blind Random Control Trials") are the gold-standard way of assessing the clinical benefits of a new procedure - to my knowledge none have been reported in the context of PD/IR radiation.

HI. I am interested in light tech too - According to a friend I know who works extensively with light applications in general he has had more success with 655 nm for pd - more discussion on this thread:

[url]http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread204808.html[/url

this guy also speaks to 655nm vs 810 :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRMbsHenNzQ

[QUOTE=moondaughter;1125311]HI. I am interested in light tech too - According to a friend I know who works extensively with light applications in general he has had more success with 655 nm for pd - more discussion on this thread:



this guy also speaks to 655nm vs 810 :



Hi There Moondaughter: Thanks for posting the link about the IR device and the other threaded discussions with links. I had read many of them and they are what put me on the path to better understand this type of therapy.

The benefits of low intensity light therapy has been used for treatment for a number of skin care and for aids in ATP production.

I appreciate the discussion about a 'lack' of clinical trials but would ask --- is one looking for a clinical trial that prevents PD or a trail that aids in ATP and biogenetic support. I think both IR and Theta Wave sound therapy as adjunct therapies falls into the category of --- More research is needed but need to know if it is bad or helpful.

I think the price of these IR devices is high but wonder if a "simple" IR flashlight-type device would work in a similar matter. Has anyone used such a device?

The price of the 528 Theta Wave music -- cheap. A quick download to my phone -- For me - the meditation and the ability to focus on what is going on in my body is very helpful.

Thanks for the discussion. Much Appreciated.

Hi Complex_CAS

I think the price of these IR devices is high but wonder if a "simple" IR flashlight-type device would work in a similar matter. Has anyone used such a device?

I would be very cautious about the self-treatment that you are considering.

IR radiation is, in effect, heat - it is the warm sensation that you experience when you sit in front of a fire.

The substantia nigra (the part of the brain which is linked to PD) is deep in the brain. Any self-treatment with an IR device which delivers doses of IR radiation to the substantia nigra will deliver much higher doses to parts of the brain which are closer to the surface. That heat could have bad health outcomes.

I suggest that you talk with a clinical health professional before trying this self-treatment.

Thanks for this: I will talk to my PC and Neuro doc about all of this. Much Appreciated.