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And yes, it does say that it should be taken on an empty stomach once in the am and once in the pm. You stated that you don't think the "ratio" supplements are useful - it that because they don't contain enough of a certain vitamin? Also, do you think it would be helpful to supplement with the Acetyl L Carnitine? Like I said, I am totally new to all of this and it is absolutely killing me to see my Dad in this condition. I suppose we are lucky that he does not have any pain like many of the posters on this board - his is purely extreme numbness and no balance which has left him pretty much immobile. Thank you so much for all of your feedback, it is very much appreciated! ![]() |
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This is the first mixed product with doses that appear useful.
Usually the mixed things are high in one thing and low in others, or vice versa. Yes, most definitely do the acetyl carnitine. Start at 250mg a day for week, if that goes well, with no side effects, increase by 250mg daily for a week until at least 1000mg a day in divided doses. Carnitine improves mitochondrial functions which can be damaged by chemo. The elderly should be taking B12 daily anyway... not just for PN. Some people complain of stomach upset from alpha lipoic acid. This may become a problem, because taking with food helps. And with that B12 in there, you can't take with food. This is the downside to mixed products. If you take them separately you would pay a similar price but could taylor some dosing if needed. But not everyone has stomach upset with the alpha lipoic. You'll just have to wait and see. Don't tell him, or the placebo thing will kick in and he may over respond, etc. If you have to take with food, you might have to buy extra methyl B12 and take separately.
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mrs D - thank you SO MUCH for your input and recommendations. I will definately take your advice and keep you posted on progress!!
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I know the ingredients are good for nerves, now it just remains to be seen if the actual product is as it claims. That's what brought me here.
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Since this thread started, we have learned that lipoic acid is best absorbed in another form, called stabilized. This is a form that is highly water soluble and therefore, less is needed per dose,
and it is far more effective. This formula does not give this ingredient as "stabilized". So expecting a huge response from that one is not likely. Some people need more of one thing than another. Some people may react negatively to one thing in a mixture like that and then have to stop the whole thing, thereby losing any benefits from the other ingredients. In pharmacy we call this "shot gun" therapy. It may work, or it may partially work, or it may have to be stopped for some reason. For example, I react to high dose lipoic acid... so I have to keep it at 100mg a day. At that dose using stabilized, I do get response, and had some good HbA1C results this last testing time. So that is just one example. It can be difficult figuring out what is going on with PN however, and so we then see all sorts of "remedies" posted on our forum as a result. I personally think people with Chemo damage, need different things than those with nutritional deficiencies, or autoimmune damage. I tend to like to buy my supplements separately, and I choose quality manufacturing places with a good history of care and accuracy. When a new thing comes out we often don't know much about who makes it, for example. So there are many reasons to be careful. But being careful does not mean throwing away potential. ![]()
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Not yet.... Autoimmune damage typically hits the axons and then
there is inflammation of the cells because cytokines are signaled to come to the damage. So antioxidants, are helpful. Grapeseed Extract Vit C (this has shown promise in preventing RSD after trauma) Lipoic acid These are examples of inflammatory suppressing supplements. There are others too. Antioxidants also are in foods, green tea, yerba mate tea, and colorful foods like blueberries and strawberries, etc. Today there was link posted to here: http://www.jneurosci.org/content/31/28/10128.abstract This is the mito thread: http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread80999.html
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My Nerve Support Formula has basically the same ingredients and amounts. But directions says to take with meals. Now I am confused.
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