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Old 02-21-2007, 12:02 PM #11
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I used to smoke also. I actually quit when I got pregnant. It was a great reason, but it didn't make it any easier! What I told myself, was something I learned in Alcoholics Anonymous. That smoking (or drinking) wasn't an option for me anymore. I had used it all up in my life. It just wasn't an option. As long as I thought I had a right or an option to a cigarette or drink, I would take it. Absolutely. If i had no right to it, or option, it helped me to say no. To drink (or smoke) was to die. This may sound very dramatic, but it is actually very true. You may not die today from smoking, but it definately does affect our health, and shortens our life.

You are having major surgery and would be very well served by not smoking. Smoking really negatively affects the healing process.

Being pregnant helped me because I had to protect my baby. It was a very good reason to quit. Perhaps you can use your PN as your reason to quit. Your PN will get better if you stop. You will heal more. Perhaps you will see some improvement. You will definately stop coughing so much and breath much easier.

Good luck to you...with the nicorette and telling yourself that you can do it, you will succeed and be much happier and healthier! Good luck.....if this smoker could do it you can!

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I used to smoke also. I actually quit when I got pregnant. It was a great reason, but it didn't make it any easier! What I told myself, was something I learned in Alcoholics Anonymous. That smoking (or drinking) wasn't an option for me anymore. I had used it all up in my life. It just wasn't an option. As long as I thought I had a right or an option to a cigarette or drink, I would take it. Absolutely. If i had no right to it, or option, it helped me to say no. To drink (or smoke) was to die. This may sound very dramatic, but it is actually very true. You may not die today from smoking, but it definately does affect our health, and shortens our life.

You are having major surgery and would be very well served by not smoking. Smoking really negatively affects the healing process.

Being pregnant helped me because I had to protect my baby. It was a very good reason to quit. Perhaps you can use your PN as your reason to quit. Your PN will get better if you stop. You will heal more. Perhaps you will see some improvement. You will definately stop coughing so much and breath much easier.

Good luck to you...with the nicorette and telling yourself that you can do it, you will succeed and be much happier and healthier! Good luck.....if this smoker could do it you can!

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Thanks Ann-Elizabeth for your encouraging & wise words, having a good reason to stop does give you a lot more incentive to try harder. i congratulate you for stopping for your precious little one's health. well done and thank you.
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Thanks for those very valuable tips, over the last couple of months i have cut the cigs down to half to what i was smoking and i was a very heavy smoker, but i am still not happy even with that amount, i just brought some " nigarette patches " so here goes, i am going to give it my best shot, right now.
thanks again for those goood tips.
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it's a tough thing brian. i have worked with clients for years to help them stop smoking. it tends to go hand in hand when people join and gym and hire a trainer.

little tricks...like washing all your clothes. make sure that the old smoke smell is gone. same with around the house. curtains, carpets...linens. that smell can trigger the need for a smoke. that spray called Febreeze really helps.

don't forget your car.

the patches and gum do work great. just don't do both at the same time. if you feel the need to put something in your mouth...you can take the patch off..put it back on the little plastic disc...and chomp on some nicoette gum. them put the patch back on.

the patches...follow what the boxes say. don;t try and stretch out the times to make them last longer. this will just put you in nicotine withdrawls. i can't tel you how many time over the years i have seen that happen.

awesome advice on this thread. i hope others will read it.

you can do it brian. got you in my prayers.
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it's a tough thing brian. i have worked with clients for years to help them stop smoking. it tends to go hand in hand when people join and gym and hire a trainer.

little tricks...like washing all your clothes. make sure that the old smoke smell is gone. same with around the house. curtains, carpets...linens. that smell can trigger the need for a smoke. that spray called Febreeze really helps.

don't forget your car.

the patches and gum do work great. just don't do both at the same time. if you feel the need to put something in your mouth...you can take the patch off..put it back on the little plastic disc...and chomp on some nicoette gum. them put the patch back on.

the patches...follow what the boxes say. don;t try and stretch out the times to make them last longer. this will just put you in nicotine withdrawls. i can't tel you how many time over the years i have seen that happen.

awesome advice on this thread. i hope others will read it.

you can do it brian. got you in my prayers.
Thank you Curious for all those great tips, very much appreciated , and also thanks for your support.
It might sound a bit weird, but its only been 15 hours of no smoking and my smelling is becoming more sensitive, and my nostrils were always blocked but now i am actually breathing through them easier.
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Best wishes to you Brian - hope this thread helped, and is helping -quit smoking- but ya hijacked it, Mate!
What happened to Cannibis for Pain!
Did we totally exhaust David's original thread?
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Best wishes to you Brian - hope this thread helped, and is helping -quit smoking- but ya hijacked it, Mate!
What happened to Cannibis for Pain!
Did we totally exhaust David's original thread?
Thanks Bob, its helped a lot mate and i really have appreciated all the great advise.
You know, i did feel a bit guilty when this thread got off the real subject, sorry David but THANKS at the same time
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A couple of summers ago when we were in Oregon I smoked with my SIL and I really saw a significant decrease in pain. My headache dissappeared and I was able to do so much more. So of course I tried some more when we got home and found that I was able to work in the yard, spray painted a patio set, and generally got alot done that I normally would have been in pain and had to stop. I also don't get the munchies like many do, but instead I am full of energy.

I was a big cannibus user back in my late teens, early 20's but quit when I got married, kids and all of that. I also quit smoking cigarrettes then. I have smoked a few times here and there but the thing that keeps me from using it full time is being afraid of breaking the law. I would much rather smoke pot than put all these chemicals in my body just to make it through the day.

We have had the initiative here to legalize it on the last three ballots and it has not passed yet. It seems to be getting closer but I just don't know if it will ever be legal here. Hopefully someday...Sue
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http://www.druglibrary.org/

Yes, the federal government sends poor-quality joints every months to a few people who had qualified for the compassionate use program before it was ended many years ago.

It's all about greed and lust for power. Someday another generation will look back on these decades with dismay.

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There was an article I just read about how much nicotine aids myelin formation, and studies showing that it is a terrific help in protecting myelin and regenerating it.

Delivered by patch (or gum, I guess) not cigarettes. So maybe there are more roles for what one might consider vices, and healing.

It's extremely compelling research. Even those of us with axonal neuropathy lose myelin, and anything that helps remyelination is a good thing. Here's one link: (okay, I copied the piece instead of the link, sorry. Google for the entire piece.


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Myelin to Blame for Many Neuropsychiatric Disorders
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What makes the human brain unique? Of the many explanations that can be offered, one that doesn't come readily to mind is — myelin.

Conventional wisdom holds that myelin, the sheet of fat that coats a neuron's axon — a long fiber that conducts the neuron's electrical impulses — is akin to the wrapping around an electrical wire, protecting and fostering efficient signaling. But the research of UCLA neurology professor George Bartzokis, M.D., has already shown that myelin problems are implicated in diseases that afflict both young and old — from schizophrenia to Alzheimer's.

Now, in a report published in the journal Biological Psychiatry and available online, Bartzokis argues that the miles of myelin coating in our brain are the key "evolutionary change that defines our uniqueness as a species" and, further, may also be the cause of "our unique vulnerability to highly prevalent neuropsychiatric disorders." The paper argues that viewing the brain as a myelin-dependent "Internet" may be key to developing new and novel treatments against disease and aid in assessing the efficacy of currently available treatments, including the use of nicotine (delivered by a patch, not smoking), which may enhance the growth and maintenance of myelin.
Myelin, argues Bartzokis, who directs the UCLA Memory Disorders and Alzheimer's Disease Clinic, is "a recent invention of evolution. Vertebrates have it; invertebrates don't. And humans have more than any other species."

Bartzokis studied the reported effects of cholinergic treatments, using drugs that are known to improve a neuron's synaptic signaling in people who suffer diseases like Alzheimer's. Furthermore, he notes, some clinical and epidemiological data suggest that such treatments may modify or even delay these diseases.

Looking at such effects from a myelin-centric point of view, Bartzokis argues that cholinergic treatments may have nonsynaptic effects as well, perhaps by enhancing myelination and myelin repair — and the better the myelin, the more efficient the neuron signaling and our "Internet's" function. Specifically, such cholinergic treatments may enhance oligodendrocytes, a type of glia cell in the brain that produces myelin during the brain 's development and constantly maintains and repairs it as we age.

While more work needs to be done to fully understand the role of nonsynaptic cholinergic effects on brain development, said Bartzokis, his hypotheses can easily be tested through in vivo imaging of the brain to study the breakdown and growth of myelin. That will make it possible to directly test in humans the practical utility of the myelin-centered model of the human brain.

Ultimately, it could foster the development of novel treatments, as well as aid in assessing the efficacy of currently available treatments. These include the use of cholinergic treatments that include acetylcholinesterase inhibitors (used to treat Alzheimer's) and nicotine patches.

"Through these rather benign interventions," Bartzokis said, "such effects on the brain's vulnerable oligodendrocyte populations may offer exciting opportunities for the prevention of both developmental and degenerative brain disorders. They deserve much closer scrutiny."

Bartzokis work was supported in part by a National Institute of Mental Health grant, a National Institute on Aging Alzheimer's Disease Center Grant, Research and Psychiatry Services of the Department of Veterans Affairs and the Sidell-Kagan Foundation.

The UCLA Department of Neurology encompasses more than a dozen research, clinical and teaching programs. These programs cover brain mapping and neuroimaging, movement disorders, Alzheimer disease, multiple sclerosis, neurogenetics, nerve and muscle disorders, epilepsy, neuro-oncology, neurotology, neuropsychology, headaches and migraines, neurorehabilitation, and neurovascular disorders. The department ranked No. 1 in 2005 among its peers nationwide in National Institutes of Health funding. For more information, see http://neurology.medsch.ucla.edu/.

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I could loan you my hubby for about a week-that should do it. He is an AVID anti-smoker. He is a good guy, but I MEAN AVID!

Thirty years ago, we had been married about 6 months; I smoked and he did not. Little did I know that he had in mind that I would be quitting... He did NOT tell me this up front and tolerated it for the first few months... I worked nights at the time and would come in at 11:30 PM and make a mad run for the bathroom, locking myself in, brushing my teeth and gargling.. He would be out there beating on the bathroom door, demanding that I come out and wailing about how I "promised" that I would quit, that I smelled bad when he kissed me, my clothes stunk, etc. etc. etc... I would come out and we would go around and around, always ending with him saying, baby, I am SOOO, SOOO sorry, I will NEVER say anything again and me swearing that I would quit... Oh, it was bad...

Next night, 11:30 same song, second and third verse... Finally, after about a week of this, I decided that I was either going to have to quit or we weren't going to be able to stay married... It took me about probably a month before I lost the urge. I gave up my coffee breaks for a while and changed some other habits-like grabbing for my cigarettes and lighter when the phone rang-some of the things you associate with having a cigartte.

Boy, it feels good...


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