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Dr. Smith

10-17-2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mrsD (Post 1022931)

One week eh? Well, I am not impressed. Yet.

There are all sorts of desensitizing treatments for nerve pain.

...and tricks. In the '70s, I happened to visit the Toronto Science Center. One exhibit that apperntly impressed me (because this discussion brought it up out of the depths of accumulated useless information) involved a grate of parallel rectangular metal tubes with alternating warm & cool water flowing through them. Touching either type individually was quite comfortable; mildly warm or cool. Pressing your palm against the grate produced the sensation of either burning hot, freezing cold, or electric shock (depending on the individual and/or position of your palm on the grate).

The purpose of the exhibit was to demonstrate how sensory nerves can be "fooled". Another way is by power of suggestion.

The Power of Suggestion: What We Expect Influences Our Behavior, for Better or Worse

And to go along with MrsD's article on quackery...

How to become a charlatan

Doc

Diandra

10-17-2013 11:37 AM

hi melody...not only have I heard of it, it is a suggested treatment at an alternative type health spa I attended in Florida. they had an ice cold pool and a very hot jacuzzi next to each other. You were supposed to plunge in one pool and then run and plunge in the other, going back and forth many times.

I could never do it but my older brother is one tough guy and he did it. I cannot say for sure that it helped anyone but the theory behind it is that it does something to reset your nervous system by confusing it with the quick changes from extreme hot to cold....it did something to the brain. sorry I am not more technical.

I can see how your friend could do his feet but the entire body, especially sensitive areas, was tough. We did have alot of fun watching various people attempt it though.
D.

mrsD	10-17-2013 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Diandra (Post 1022951)

Yes, this is an old cultural thing in many countries. It is not new by any means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauna
At the end of this wiki article are the medical statements, which are very interesting. So don't miss those!

Stacy2012

10-17-2013 11:59 AM

I have to agree with MrsD on the broken toe thing. I do not believe a sheet can break a toe, that is too out there even for me, lol.

However, I do not want to be negative to this approach, if it works for him great, if people here choose not to believe it that is ok too. Maybe you will try it and it will work for you and no one here will disbelieve YOU...hopefully.

You were told something and shared it here, and I say thank you. You never know what might work and it certainly cost nobody ANYTHING to use hot and cold water. :winky:

Closed minds are everywhere, I have lived with it my whole life. It doesn't bother me when people think I am crazy, I know my truth. It's ok to be skeptical, I am very skeptical of things, but I do have an open mind to possabilities.

If I had not been open to things, modern medicine would have cut open my sons chests, going through every breast bone and inserting a bar and then redoing it when it was time to remove the bar. Thank God I looked beyond mondern medicine.

You have to have thick skin, and confidence to go against the flow in this world. Thankfully...I have BOTH. :)

Dr. Smith

10-17-2013 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsD (Post 1022958)

Also: alternating hot and cold therapy

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Warning

There are certain diseases or conditions where alternating heat and cold can worsen a person's condition. According to orthopedic surgeon Dr. Stephen H. Hochschuler in his Spine-health.com article entitled "Ahh...Ice Massage Therapy for Back Pain Relief," "ice should... not be used for patients who have rheumatoid arthritis, Raynaud's Syndrome, cold allergic conditions, paralysis, or areas of impaired sensation." Moreover, diabetics, pregnant women and people with high blood pressure or heart conditions should probably consult their family physician before using heat.
http://www.ehow.com/about_5572364_al...#ixzz2i03Wuji0

(emphasis mine)

Doc

MelodyL

10-17-2013 04:12 PM

Wow, another person who believes in Colloidal Silver. How cool.

I'll update you on the hot and cold thing.

Take care, Melody

Aussie99

10-17-2013 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MelodyL (Post 1022921)

Hi Aussie:

I think my friend has been doing this for over one week now. He started, not with ice baths in the container, but with cool water in one and warm water in the other. He immediately felt better after one day so he threw in the ice in the cold water bucket. He also made the other bucket a bit hotter. The day he knew this was working was when he climbed into bed, pulled the sheet over his toes and he FELT his feet. He also said "Oh, there's something in my shoe". He then said "how the heck do I know something is in my shoe, when I can never feel my feet?" He was starting to get his feeling back. And in the past he could NEVER have anyone touch his toes. He has gone to this lady two times now. The second time she PULLED his toes, one by one. He was in no pain. As for the tea, she makes various blends for various people and she asked them "how are your bowel movements". One person (this story was told to my friend". One person told the russian lady "I never go to the bathroom" The russian lady said "I'm going to add something to your tea blend". I would imagine it's some kind of herbal laxative? maybe Senna??.

All I can tell you is that my friend is now a completely different human being. He was SO excited doing jumping jacks while on the phone with me. He put the phone down, put it on speaker and said "Listen to me doing Jumping Jacks'. I said 'Holy Cow".

So (and I really do believe this) what did we all do before drugs were invented? How did people survive the conditions that they had?

I make my own colloidal silver. Been doing this for 5 years now. Haven't had so much as a cold or anything. And you all know that I sprout and do microgreens. So for me, this is great.

I wonder if doing the ice and hot thing would help my osteoarthritis? lol

I just might give it a whirl.

And my friend (who is now a happy man), well, his feet burned all the time. And were touch sensitive. That is not the case any more.

Will update more as I hear it.

Melody

This is actually very good news for your friend Mel. Maybe there is merit to the hot/cold therapy. In winter time we have elderly people swimming in the ocean over here. They share that the cold is the elixir of life. Ironically I was also asked about bowel movements. I think it has to do with the detox process. I was told to drink cloudy apple juice during the day. Please keep us updated on your friend.

Stacy2012

10-17-2013 04:35 PM

Melody, did you make your own or did you buy a machine thingy to make the silver????

Mine is good old fashioned home made and when I say rustic, well..its rustic. Like everything, I go in spurts, I use it awhile then quit, then remember it and use it again. Then I ran out of silver and forgot until today.

Susanne C.

10-17-2013 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacy2012 (Post 1022961)

Stacy, did your son have pectus excavatum? Where the rib cage is compressing the heart and lungs? Our 26 year old was never diagnosed until he tried to enter officer's candidate school after grad school. He had the highest ASVAB scores in our state for ten years and they chauffeured him around trying to get a waiver. Finally a cardiologist at Walter Reed said "no way". Basic training would kill him. His heart and lungs cannot expand, 5 on the haller index. We have been kicking ourselves that the pediatricians and doctors never caught it and wishing we had done the surgery you describe. May I ask why you decided not to? My son always wanted a career in law enforcement, which is now closed to him. He is a dealer in a casino.

Stacy2012

10-17-2013 06:11 PM

I have identical twin sons and they both had pectus Carinatum. Carinatum is where the bones protrude out, excavatum is where the bones push in. Carinatum is easier to fix, providing you catch it early enough. You have to treat both of them before the age of 18 while the bones are still flexible.

20 years ago surgery was the ONLY option, and most doctors didn't even bother to treat it, and insurance said it was cosmetic. Things have changed since my boys were little, today there are options, and it is realized that indeed it is more than cosmetic, but much is still unknown to the "modern medical" doctors.

Back 20 years ago bracing was not common. I almost flew my 4th grade boys to Brazil since my research showed limited dr's who believed in bracing over surgery. Thankfully God lead me to a man on the cutting edge of new technology, but my boys were among his first patients. Today he has several locations and is a thriving pectus therapy in New York, New Jersey, and Arizona.

Why did I do it??? Have you seen that gosh awful surgery they want to perform???? They go in and break all the ribs and breast bone to place a bar, close them up, wait 6 months, the do another surgery to take the bar out. N O W A Y. Recovery is AWFUL.

God lead me the correct path, and I am still thankful today. If you heard the whole story you would be amazed. Long story short....2 boys, so double the tests and costs. Because I found this man at the beginning of his trying to get doctors to join him in this therapy, I never paid a dime. 2 kids, means 2 MRI, 2 ekg, 2 stress test, 2 cat scans, list is long. I never got a single bill and thats only part of the story. God is good.

p.s. today they can take their shirt off and you would never know they had it. :)

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