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Old 09-06-2015, 04:09 PM #21
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I still have flares, and some pain at night. Some is arthritis and and some nerve...It can be difficult to separate that out.

But I do not have any numbness, except for the tips of 2 toes.
How bad was it and how long did You take to heal?
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[QUOTE=mrsD;1168839]If your damage is at the dorsal root level, I don't think topicals can work for you. If your pain is compressive in origin, then yes, I think the lidocaine may work, depending on where you apply it.




I don't understand what you mean by the dorsal root level as opposed to compressive neuropathy (which I do understand).

If this was purely a SFN issue without nerve compression at the wrist, then would the topical work or not?

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Some nerve damage occurs at the dorsal roots. These are along
the spinal cord. This is where shingles lives, and causes much of its pain.

Damage to the dorsal roots, messes up signals from the periphery and eventually the peripheral nerves atrophy away, because the dorsal root area does not complete the feedback to them properly. (this has been shown in primates so far and is theorized to happen with humans)

this link has details about the dorsal roots:
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread147771.html

If your dorsal roots are damaged...I don't think applying lidocaine to the wrists would work much or at all.

Do you use solvents, cleaners alot? Apply them without gloves?
Do you exercise and put weight on your palms? Push ups and pull ups can damage the carpal tunnel.

The lidocaine Aspercreme is about $7... so get a tube and apply on the inner wrist areas of both hands and see what happens.
In fact you can try the discussed fingertip wrinkling test with the same product.

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread225598.html

Compressive neuropathy in the hands most often occurs at the inner wrist where the carpal tunnel is.
It can also occur at the facets of the vertebrae of the spine. This is basically mechanical or traumatic.

The dorsal roots are another location...and this damage is typically viral, infectious, and/or toxin/drug/chem in origin.
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I have newly diagnosed diabetic neuropathy with burning at the bottom of my feet. So I have burning on the bottom of my feet so after reading your posts and reviewing leg and nerve anatomy I am guessing the best application point is right above the back of my knee or the sides of my knee where the nerve split off and go down the back of the leg to the bottom of my feet. I think you are saying no relief with putting on my back of my ankles. Or directly on the bottom of my feet. Which one????
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$7.99 Walgreen. $10.49 at CVS. $6.48 Walmart. Has anyone found any coupons. I am a big to the point of extreme couponer so I try to get a coupon for everything. I never pay retail. If they want me to buy their product they have to motivate me. Haha
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I think the website has a $1.00 coupon.

http://www.aspercreme.com/

For applying to the feet... apply to the TOPS of the feet and up the ankle front, left and right. The back has thick skin and the lidocaine may not penetrate. Same for the bottoms of the feet.

The sides and backs of the knees are an alternate spot to try.

You'll just have to try one night one location. And the next do the second location. And compare.

I find it lasts 2 days for me, then I get a bit of rebound.
rub it in well, so it doesn't come off on the bedding, or clothing.
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I'd like to remind people that this new lotion/cream by Aspercreme is not approved for covering large areas of the body.

It comes in a small size for a reason. Lidocaine is a strong drug and this product has warnings on the label. So please read them.

I find that this lidocaine lasts for me at least 2 days. So you can rotate sites each day so if you have more than one location that needs it.
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I'd like to remind people that this new lotion/cream by Aspercreme is not approved for covering large areas of the body.

It comes in a small size for a reason. Lidocaine is a strong drug and this product has warnings on the label. So please read them.

I find that this lidocaine lasts for me at least 2 days. So you can rotate sites each day so if you have more than one location that needs it.


It did not work- no relief.
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It did not work- no relief.
I've not had much luck with lidocain in any form including the patches. I get much better results with menthol which is a topical analgesic and inexpensive to boot.
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I've not had much luck with lidocain in any form including the patches. I get much better results with menthol which is a topical analgesic and inexpensive to boot.
What is menthol? Is there a name brand?
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