is increase serotonin. You can also increase serotonin with tryptophan supplements and B6. It is increasing serotonin that improves PAIN.

Wellbutrin affects dopamine. (not great for pain)

I hit rock bottom last year. Even after changing my shifts to eliminate nights, I was not great. I didn't decide to do the visor until Feb...making decisions is not so easy when depressed, you know.

This is the one I bought:
http://www.feelbrightlight.com/Feel_...ight.48.0.html
It now lives at my son's house....because he needed it too. Only he uses his at 4pm and I use mine in the morning. He has has mild anxiety all his ADD life, and likes the visor also for the winter. ( I gave him mine for Xmas). I've never increased the power and only use it for 1/2 hr. Overuse of light can throw you into hypomania if you are so inclined, so I remain very conservative. Can't spook my husband you know at this late date (40yrs marriage)...!

So I now have a new one! LOL

If it is going to work, you should see effects within a week. The thing has a 30 day money back guarantee. I'd suggest B6 with it, and tryptophan perhaps, since these are precursors to serotonin synthesis. You take the tryptophan at night with a little sweet thing (about 100cal) away from protein, and it will zip right thru the blood brain barrier and start working for you.
When I was low, my neck was killing me, and my back, and boink...light fixed it. My arthritis pain is soooo much better with no pain pills. I do an Aleve liquigel when the weather attacks me, but that is like once a week now.

You know that antidepressants cause downregulation of other neurotransmitters in the brain...it is the brain's way of compensating. So using Wellbutrin increases dopamine and DECREASES SEROTONIN.
SSRIs increase serotonin in the synapse (do not increase production) but downregulate dopamine. So I don't think the Wellbutrin is serving people with pain issues well. JMO

I looked on Iherb and found L-tryptophan 500 mg. Do you think that one capsule is a dose that might give results in a trial, or would it take more? I remember some discussion on this forum that too much B6 can be harmful, also. I am seeing capsules of 100 mg., and also 250 mg. ?????

Thanks very much for the light visor info. I think I will invest in one. I am thinking that it would probably be wise to try this and the supplements before trying a drug like Welbutrin, as you suggested.

I am also thinking of buying a cognitive behavioral therapy workbook, as I have heard that some folks get help from this.

i have had the opposite side effect from wellbutrin. It has helped my pain. When i forget to take it for a day, i am reminded by an increase in pain. It is the only anti depressant that has helped my pain. Effexor, paxil, buspar, remeron...nada.......I am very atypical for many medications though...either they dont work on me or they effect me in negative ways such as not being able to stay awake, feeling sick etc.

tryptophan. 500mg at night is PLENTY for me. In fact I can't use it every day.
I get too tired.

About the D3...I forgot to answer that.

New studies come out on that everyday. The new upper safe limit for healthy people is now at 10,000 IU daily.

4000IU is what is typically done to raise lowered levels daily.

I feel pretty safe at 2000IU. Next blood work, in about 2mos, I will ask for a level. I don't feel comfortable suggesting more than 2000IU D3 daily unless you have a level drawn. And I don't take any in the summer, when I tan up and am outdoors alot. I am using the gelcaps from NOW that are 1000IU each. I used to use a dry tablet, but I think the gelcaps have better bioavailability.

The data is changing on D3 as I type this... all new, and continuing so.

A million thanks. I have my shopping list now.

Wooops. How much B6 is safe?

Thanks Susan I use to hate them but dance instruters can get mean,and
they wore nice in Highschool when we couldn't wear pants only (kneel
down} the hem better touch the floor days... Now Dr. John tells me
my legs and feet feel cold. I wouldn't know how he would know,must
be taking a foot pulse..heh heh And I think it's fine if you want to think
that sweetie is hetrosexual,mine is going to be a housekeeper..

Mel I use to have a black all furry looking hat,like the movie star in
Dr. Zavirgo {the }movie wore. Well with my blond hair I though I the regularwas
so beautiful..I use to think that until I took it off and the static used
to make me look like a cat that stuck her finger in the light switch..
Your right good out laughter,it's the best,you you looked cute.

Hey Joe Wellbutrin is only A_D helps with me as well. my insurance is
always fighting over if there going to pay for generic or the regular,
there is a difference..It does make you loose weight,so they tell you
if you had or have a eating disorder not to take it. I would take tests,
use the light while laughing first..I am beginning to wonder if a lot of
these meds are causing harm,well of course they are,but don't know
if I would want to be the one who had to say,it's working you can't
have it anymore,we all have are struggles..My next thing after teeth,cheek
bone,nose Picc out ect. Is test for Corporal Tunnel on both hands .
Oh gezzz..

Mel I have heard of people going off of insulin with type 2 diabetes,
but never type1 nor would I want to..Did you say you were on shots,
are they prepackaged,all made up..My hands are so bad don't think
I could mix and give,neither does Dr. He was thinking pump,1 I never had
any trouble giving other 's shots but don't like to give myself one,i'm
not only nurse had this problem.. Now i'm lucky to use spoon...

Bob brough me some Valentine balloons and a plant and flowers..They
are beautiful,he got little boxes of Chocolate's we have a Candy business
downtown that's been in business forever,people come from all over
to watch it being made...You could go into diabetic Coma,you order
those Chocolate covered strawberries and you pick them up on 14th.
what lone lines,they make all kinds..And he's taking one to the Wine
resturant..I guess Dr. John will feed me baby food..he's sweet..
Hugs all Sue

Hi Sue:

Lantus does make a kind of premixed cartridge thingee and I even went to a seminar on it. They took out some kind of pen looking gadget and, well, believe me, after I learned how to use it (or should I say TRIED to learn), well, I gave up and said to myself "a regular shot is much easier".

You had to turn the dial, and pump the thing, well, I just said "forget it".

So I just give my self an injection. Oh, they gave me big numbered syringes. I mean who can see the itty bitty numbers on the syringes anyway. I used to have to use magnifying glasses.

But with these new syringes, the numbers are big and bold. Makes loading up the syringe much easier.

You take care,

Ha ha, Sue, I remember the kneeling and the hem better touch the floor days! Times change. Wouldn't it be fun to know what high school will be like in 50 years?

I wouldn't go over 50mg/day.

If you order from iherb...get the NOW P-5-P

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails....1&pid=740&at=1
This is SO much better than regular pyridoxine.