Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy (RSD and CRPS) Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy (Complex Regional Pain Syndromes Type I) and Causalgia (Complex Regional Pain Syndromes Type II)(RSD and CRPS)

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Old 12-30-2011, 09:09 AM #1
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Lit Love, you're right, you did, however, mention the ketamine outpatient therapy, which went hand in hand with the lidocaine therapy when I started researching it. We went into her dr today & he is starting the pre-auth for the Lidocaine infusions....he does 1-day infusions, not the 3 or 5 day, so hopefully this will work!!!! Unforunately, i cannot find a dr that does the Ketamine therapy that also takes my insurance. Her dr does not seem to enthusiastic about the Lidocaine infusions, because of their short-term effects. He put her on Celebrex today and said if the Celebrex doesn't provide relief or she if she cannot tolerate it and if the Lidocaine infusions don't work, we need talk more about the SCS.
I can see why you may be reluctant of the SCS from all that you have researched. The thing that gets under my skin (only personal) is how many doctors blindly recommend this device. I truly believe it rids them of the DEA in some manner and the ability to make money at the same time, just my observation. Push comes to shove, there is the SCS test your daughter will receive before any major surgery takes place. A lead wire is temporarily inserted near or in the spine. The device itself is outside of the body. I think this test lasts for a few days. This way your daughter and yourself can evaluate the device without full obligation.
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Old 12-30-2011, 03:56 PM #2
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I can see why you may be reluctant of the SCS from all that you have researched. The thing that gets under my skin (only personal) is how many doctors blindly recommend this device. I truly believe it rids them of the DEA in some manner and the ability to make money at the same time, just my observation. Push comes to shove, there is the SCS test your daughter will receive before any major surgery takes place. A lead wire is temporarily inserted near or in the spine. The device itself is outside of the body. I think this test lasts for a few days. This way your daughter and yourself can evaluate the device without full obligation.
Wow Jim, I never considered the DEA angle!

You have to be careful using the Spinal Cord Stimulator trial as a means to evaluate its effectiveness for CRPS. Thousands of CRPS patients have undergone a "successful trial" only to discover that upon permanent installation the unit either stops working very soon after installation or within months, causes painful stimulation that cannot be ameliorated, or ignites a new spread with a prime culprit being the incision sites (which become a new source of neuropathic pain.) This is frequently accompanied by lead migration and sufferers are many times convinced to undergo yet another surgery, (commonly referred to as "a revision surgery") which in a majority of cases does not help or worsens the CRPS. Any CRPS patient considering implantation should study up on the sanitized term "revision surgery." This surgery is even more painful than the original implantation, opening up scar area that has already been opened up twice, once for the trial and once for the installation. Hacking through that much scar tissue is not something to be taken lightly. I suggest reviewing copies of the physician's clinical manuals prepared by each SCS company, for a unsanitized version of this procedure.

Many CRPS folks are walking around with a failed SCS because they do not want to risk yet another maiming surgery to remove it.

Sadly the truth for many CRPS folks when their SCS ultimately fail is the perplexed comments from the doctor who can't understand why. Then it is basically, "sorry about your luck there is nothing more I can do for you."

There is not one shred of scientific evidence that Spinal Cord Stimulators are effective for CRPS beyond a relatively short period of time. The scientific evidence suggests that Spinal cord stimulators do nothing to slow the progression of the disease. Failed Spinal Cord Stimulators can negate the effects of future Ketamine infusions. Please see Elijennings journey as an example of this common occurence (RSDburningsacrifice).

I agree with you Jim about the financial incentive for doctors to blindly push installation of SCS for CRPS patients. When it comes to CRPS and Spinal Cord Stimulators, the scale is tipped in favor of the procedure being more beneficial to the doctors, who rake it in with trials, installations, revision surgeries, maintenance and the companies who push them (even though they know SCS have a high rate of failure among CRPS patients) than the patients who seek Spinal Cord Stimulator implantation in desperation.

I have become so outspoken because of the many CRPS patients with whom I have sounded the CRPS/Spinal Cord Stimulator alarm, only to be left following along in their route of post implantation misery and regret.

It is so hard to watch a child suffer. This procedure, however, is so potentially dangerous.

My suggestion to anyone considering this procedure for a minor would be to wait until the child is no longer a minor and can evaluate the risks and make the decision themselves. I can't imagine anything worse than suffering feelings of guilt for a decision that cannot be reversed, and a son or daughter who suffers life long permanent disability after a procedure documented to have little benefit and high risk.
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Wow Jim, I never considered the DEA angle!

You have to be careful using the Spinal Cord Stimulator trial as a means to evaluate its effectiveness for CRPS. Thousands of CRPS patients have undergone a "successful trial" only to discover that upon permanent installation the unit either stops working very soon after installation or within months, causes painful stimulation that cannot be ameliorated, or ignites a new spread with a prime culprit being the incision sites (which become a new source of neuropathic pain.) This is frequently accompanied by lead migration and sufferers are many times convinced to undergo yet another surgery, (commonly referred to as "a revision surgery") which in a majority of cases does not help or worsens the CRPS. Any CRPS patient considering implantation should study up on the sanitized term "revision surgery." This surgery is even more painful than the original implantation, opening up scar area that has already been opened up twice, once for the trial and once for the installation. Hacking through that much scar tissue is not something to be taken lightly. I suggest reviewing copies of the physician's clinical manuals prepared by each SCS company, for a unsanitized version of this procedure.

Many CRPS folks are walking around with a failed SCS because they do not want to risk yet another maiming surgery to remove it.

Sadly the truth for many CRPS folks when their SCS ultimately fail is the perplexed comments from the doctor who can't understand why. Then it is basically, "sorry about your luck there is nothing more I can do for you."

There is not one shred of scientific evidence that Spinal Cord Stimulators are effective for CRPS beyond a relatively short period of time. The scientific evidence suggests that Spinal cord stimulators do nothing to slow the progression of the disease. Failed Spinal Cord Stimulators can negate the effects of future Ketamine infusions. Please see Elijennings journey as an example of this common occurence (RSDburningsacrifice).

I agree with you Jim about the financial incentive for doctors to blindly push installation of SCS for CRPS patients. When it comes to CRPS and Spinal Cord Stimulators, the scale is tipped in favor of the procedure being more beneficial to the doctors, who rake it in with trials, installations, revision surgeries, maintenance and the companies who push them (even though they know SCS have a high rate of failure among CRPS patients) than the patients who seek Spinal Cord Stimulator implantation in desperation.

I have become so outspoken because of the many CRPS patients with whom I have sounded the CRPS/Spinal Cord Stimulator alarm, only to be left following along in their route of post implantation misery and regret.

It is so hard to watch a child suffer. This procedure, however, is so potentially dangerous.

My suggestion to anyone considering this procedure for a minor would be to wait until the child is no longer a minor and can evaluate the risks and make the decision themselves. I can't imagine anything worse than suffering feelings of guilt for a decision that cannot be reversed, and a son or daughter who suffers life long permanent disability after a procedure documented to have little benefit and high risk.
I agree. The truth seems to be no real evidence SCS is truly beneficial to those with RSD, none! Short term relief for some, that is about it. Then it becomes one big headache. As far as the DEA, it seems they are deeply intrenched in doctor's decisions about your treatment if it involves narcotics. Especially those on long term care.
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