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Old 03-04-2008, 05:48 PM #11
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I wish I hadn't plugged into this thread.....I could have gone all year without hearing about this.

Amen, Sally! There's enough bad stuff out there without looking for it on the Internet! I get plenty just watching the daily news. . . . .
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Husband saw it last night - I left the room - absolutely despicable !!!!!!
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I saw on CNN earlier that the Marine Corp is looking into this and the Marine could be facing discipline.

If this is real and he did what it looks like he did... HE SHOULD BE DISCIPLINED!!!!!!!!!


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I saw on CNN earlier that the Marine Corp is looking into this and the Marine could be facing discipline.

If this is real and he did what it looks like he did... HE SHOULD BE DISCIPLINED!!!!!!!!!


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Oh yeah...he needs to be disciplined... I wonder if he's a Marine serving on a Navy ship? Maybe they can get him to walk the plank...or scrub the flight deck with his toothbrush...maybe he can go clean the nuclear reactors...without a hazmat suit?

He really needs to have some sort of jail time, or a huge fine, lose his rank, benefits, and I think, if the puppy was in Iraq...maybe he should publically apologize to all the dog lovers in Iraq??

It's people like him that make the American military look bad...not quite as much as the putz's who were involved in Abu Ghraib a few years back, but almost.
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Personally, I think that the Marine and his/her two buddies should be made to work at an animal shelter for 5 years, no time off for good behavior...something that has to do with animals and that they be fined for every animal that has something happen to it while they work there.....whether its their fault or not!

I couldn't bear for something to happen to one of our dogs, and if I was faced with an allergy to them...I'd seek treatment for the allergy, NOT get rid of my dogs....not saying you did anything wrong in re-homing your puppy, not all allergies are apparent right away....and as you said, it might have been too soon after losing your other dog to try getting a puppy. I know I have to wait awhile before we get another after losing one. (Still cry over one I lost in 1975, she was so special.)
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Personally, I think that the Marine and his/her two buddies should be made to work at an animal shelter for 5 years, no time off for good behavior...something that has to do with animals and that they be fined for every animal that has something happen to it while they work there.....whether its their fault or not!

I couldn't bear for something to happen to one of our dogs, and if I was faced with an allergy to them...I'd seek treatment for the allergy, NOT get rid of my dogs....not saying you did anything wrong in re-homing your puppy, not all allergies are apparent right away....and as you said, it might have been too soon after losing your other dog to try getting a puppy. I know I have to wait awhile before we get another after losing one. (Still cry over one I lost in 1975, she was so special.)
I returned that puppy (a Yorkie Terrier) because we'd only had him for less than 24 hours. The breeder told me that if I had any problem that she had a return policy. I could get our money back and she said she'd make sure he'd get a good home.

My Bouvier's breeder had the same guarantee (and it was for the life of the dog) She always told us if we ever had to re-home Tiny, to call her and she'd help...we never had to do that with him, but it was nice to know he wouldnt have gotten the short end of the stick if there had ever been a problem with him.

Almost all reputable dog breeders have similar guarantees. Most breeders will not give the money back after the dog is no longer a puppy, but most will at least be able to help find the dog a new home. It's similar to the Lemon Laws when you buy a car. We returned the puppy fairly quickly as soon as I realized I had an allergic reaction to him. (hives, lips swelled up...)

Oh, and the other big reason for giving the puppy back, it was way too soon for me to get a new dog after Tiny died. I was really an emotional wreck for a few months after Tiny died. The day we adopted that puppy, I thought having a new dog would make me feel better. It didnt. I felt worse. Like I was forgetting Tiny. I had to have time to recover from him dying.

The allergic reaction was what convinced me to give the dog back. I think my dad was a lot concerned about me that evening. I was watching the puppy sleeping, and crying my eyes out. I felt bad because Tiny had died, and I felt bad that I'd adopted a dog and had changed my mind and I didnt know how to explain it to my parents or how to explain it to the breeder.

I almost turned around a couple of times when we were taking the puppy back.

Now I wish I could have kept him. My dad was really impressed with that puppy.

I'm doing some more research on different dogs (leaning toward a pug. My aunt has one, and the pug doesnt trigger my allergies. Pudge comes over to my house for sleepovers sometimes), and I just found out that Tiny's breeder is breeding one of her females again. I'm not sure I want another Bouvier again, even tho I think Bouviers are the best dogs in the world. I'm just not sure I'm up to the work and training involved with another big guy like Tiny was.
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Well I did not see the video, however I can say that there is no Military Judge that will let this go by the way side like the civilian courts would. The Marine who was cruel to this animal will serve time and more than likely be dishonorably discharged. Which will also include forfeiture of at least 6 months pay. Hope he was not married. The other Marines may face the same or at least Non-Judicial punishment, that will reduce their ranks and they too will have to forfeit pay.

The Uniform Code of Military Justice is very strict, if this is true they stand no chance of getting off. Ive sat through many court martials, and allthough sad, it is wonderful to see justice served. Being a former Marine, Id love to be there to see them get the punishment they deserve. If your familiar with military slang then you will know that these Marines are the "10 percent". Semper Fi to the rest of us.
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Well I did not see the video, however I can say that there is no Military Judge that will let this go by the way side like the civilian courts would. The Marine who was cruel to this animal will serve time and more than likely be dishonorably discharged. Which will also include forfeiture of at least 6 months pay. Hope he was not married. The other Marines may face the same or at least Non-Judicial punishment, that will reduce their ranks and they too will have to forfeit pay.

The Uniform Code of Military Justice is very strict, if this is true they stand no chance of getting off. Ive sat through many court martials, and allthough sad, it is wonderful to see justice served. Being a former Marine, Id love to be there to see them get the punishment they deserve. If your familiar with military slang then you will know that these Marines are the "10 percent". Semper Fi to the rest of us.
My family is all Air Force or Army, but I did consider joining the Marines (also considered USAF too) I never did join the Service, but because I'm from a military family, I hate it when I see some complete moron do something so disgusting like that, and damaging the military's credibility.

I'm really glad that he's going to probably get dishonorably discharged. What that moron did seemed more like something a drunk 17yr old would do. A REAL Marine would never chuck a puppy off of a cliff. A REAL Marine would be at the bottom of the cliff, trying to catch the puppy (and then beating the crap out of the guy who tossed the dog)...right?

Isnt this case something that would be considered "Conduct Unbecoming"??
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Yes any good Marine would everything you said. And for that matter any decent person.

Yes it is conduct unbecoming along with many more. Believe me the Marine Corps is extremely angry with this, along with everyone else in the world too .
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Personally, I think that the Marine and his/her two buddies should be made to work at an animal shelter for 5 years, no time off for good behavior...something that has to do with animals and that they be fined for every animal that has something happen to it while they work there.....whether its their fault or not!

I couldn't bear for something to happen to one of our dogs, and if I was faced with an allergy to them...I'd seek treatment for the allergy, NOT get rid of my dogs....not saying you did anything wrong in re-homing your puppy, not all allergies are apparent right away....and as you said, it might have been too soon after losing your other dog to try getting a puppy. I know I have to wait awhile before we get another after losing one. (Still cry over one I lost in 1975, she was so special.)

I'd want them to do some sort of community service - but not around animals unless they had constant supervision and that is highly unlikely. I wouldn't trust them around ANY animal ever - not even a snake. There should be a punishment for them but nothing to do with animals. An eye for an eye sounds like a good compromise. . . .

It's people like these that harm animals that move on to other crimes - like harming human beings - later in life. I didn't watch the video nor have I seen it on TV. I can't watch things like this.

Some people seem to think of animals as sort of an expendable commodity. Like they can be treated like produce or something - easily disposed of. This is a terrible way to think and be and anyone who feels this way has deeper problems.
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