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Thoracic Outlet Syndrome Thoracic Outlet Syndrome/Brachial Plexopathy. In Memory Of DeAnne Marie. |
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Will you continue with these exercises and stretches?
I'm following a similar programme and have been for over two years with no affect. I'm adamant the nerve that fires the lower trap is compressed as my left side is beginning to anterior title now. I also have numbness is the cheek and my hand swells is certain positions. Would you recommend an MRI? Quote:
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I will continue with this.
If you haven't had any diagnostic tests to confirm TOS I'd do so. I'd find the nearest specialist. Usually a vascular surgeon. Quote:
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Any updates ?
I am struggling with a lot of you symptoms. Winged scapula and weak lower trapezius. I have tried every strengthening technique there is . I am starting to think it is due to apical breathing and anxiety. The thing is, apical breathing contributes to anxiety because lack of oxygen. My levator scapulae is really tight. I have been doing active release with a lacrosse ball. I also have a "flat" thoracic spine which may be contributing to symptoms. |
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PS: your symptoms are the same as mine. Mine started after a horrible bike fall, whiplash injury. |
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Is the winged scapula possibly due to nerve compression? Have you seen an orthopedic shoulder specialist? Maybe he/she can tell you exactly which muscle is not functioning properly and look into the nerve that supplies it (i.e. if it's the serratus anterior muslce, then maybe there's compression to the long thoracic nerve). Unfortunately, it seems that the human body likes to compensate and then we have to deal with a domino effect. Please keep us updated. All the best.
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I have winged scapula, significantly lower right shoulder and significant muscle atrophy of the upper and lower trapezius. I had TOS surgery that somehow gave me very brief relief (2 months) but have had serious problems since. I had a second surgery 15 months later to remove scar tissue that had no impact. About a year after that surgery I took another dive in the wrong direction.
I am now seriously doubting that my problems are TOS. My rationale is I do not have and never had any arm problems which seem to be present in all cases of true TOS. My symptoms are also aggravated more by neck movements (especially looking down) than use of my right arm/shoulder. Based on what I have learned myself (don't we all become internet research doctors when we have suffered for years) I believe I have some sort of nerve damage/entrapment/lesion/something with my spinal accessory nerve. It innervates the traps and that is where I have pain and atrophy. I have had several nerve tests over the last 10 years and I do not have a lot of confidence in them as I get a different result each time. I have shown abnormal suprascapular nerve, then normal, then abnormal long thoracic and dorsal scapular in the three tests I took from 2009 - 2013. My next step is to try and get somewhere that can do a more thorough and exhaustive evaluation. I am not sure where that is and I am open to suggestion if anyone has knowledge to share. I have doctors that will gladly refer me as they admit it is outside their area of expertise. IMO that is the biggest problem for a lot of us. Doctors seems to have a narrow space or niche that they do - even the prestigious ones. Also the more prestigious the bigger the ego and the more they are concerned about being right. I'm sure there are exceptions to this but I have seen several and that is my take. |
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I am wondering about the same thing. I have atrophy of the traps (mostly middle, but also upper and lower to a lesser extent) as well as weakness and pain in that area. There is also a mild scapular winging.
Symptoms in arms have not been a major issue for me - some on and off pain and weakness which are mostly gone by now, At least one dr agrees it could be an accessory nerve problem. He suggested an accessory nerve block, but I did not try it yet. Don't know what to expect. |
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First, hang in. I am well into my third year of pain that is largely debilitating, and it has been almost 12 years since I was able to exercise at 100%. Plugging away is the best option.
Second, I find it helpful to think in terms of "what can I do?" instead of "I can't do all this stuff." When I stop and ask myself, "what can I do?" I am usually surprised at how long the list is. Examples: walk, jog, tai chi (carefully), meditate, various lower body stretches, self massage, and more. None of this has been a cure, but much of it does provide temporary relief. Third, this is a wild guess, but have you looked into diet? I have a couple of friends who have had pain issues that improved with certain diets. This sort of thing is highly individualized and remains on the outer reaches of what modern medicine would take seriously. Still, shooting in the dark is better than nothing. |
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Levator is tight as a symptom, not a cause by itself. I have the same issue. |
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