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Old 02-03-2015, 09:26 AM #1
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I saw that the factor is 1,49? So 400iu = 268 mg.
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I take 25mg of Zinc Citrate a day and it makes me feel like a new man. Almost completely gets rid of my brain fog which I believe has been caused by multiple concussions. Fish oil also helps, but to a lesser extent.

Personally, I wouldn't take them when recovering as I found without the brain fog my mind was much more active, which is the opposite of what I wanted while recovering.

Hope that helps someone else!
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Question Can you overdose on vitamins B ?

Thank you mark for such detailed advice on vitamins. I have recently started taking supplements to improve my level of life. I have suffered from a concussion 2 weeks ago, and now experience many of the PCS, I also believe some of my old symptoms of anxiety, depression, following a traumatic experience have come back.

I was wondering if with all the medicine that I am taking I am not exceeding the limit for dosage for vitamin Bs! I have also in the past suffered from gastritis (intestines problems) and I am worried if too many vitamins might cause it to come back. I have started having burning sensation in my intestines and some pain, but not excruciating.

I am currently taking Megatone LA (in one pill):
vit C
Vit B1 - 3,3mg (300% Daily adviced quantity) (for a Belgian market)
Vit B2 - 3,5 mg (250 %)
Vit B3 - 40mg (250%)
Vit B5 - 15mg (250%)
Vit B6 - 4,2 mg (300%)
Vit B12 - 2,5 ug (100%)
Vit D - 5 ug (100%)
Folic acid - 333ug
Biotine - 150 ug, (300%)
Magnesium - 56,25 mg
iron
zinc

Also:
Vit B12 apart - 500ug (1 pill a day)

Also: Zaffranax, for anxiety (one pill)
I could not find the Turmeric extract, and decided to give this a try. It seems to be working almost immediately, or maybe in combination with all the other vitamins it is effective.
But it includes all the Vitamin Bs again!
70 mg saffran (2%)
Vit B1 - 0,5 mg (50% Daily adviced quantity)
Vit B2 - 0,7 mg (50%)
Vit B3 - 8 mg(50%)
Vit B6 - 0,7 mg (50%)

VIt B8 - 25 ug (50%)
Vit B9 - 100 ug (50%)
Vit B12 - 1,7 ug (50%)

Also magnesium and calcium apart.

Please advice, if that is too much!
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The amount of B's in those are quite small. (the European Union does have limits on what you can purchase in Europe with vitamins). I would expect that magnesium is in oxide form, which is useless. Don't expect that to be absorbed at all. It is basically a laxative.
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Shocked overdose of vitamin Bs

Thanks, for your responce.
So just to clarify. I can definitely take both (Megatone LA) and the Zaffranax (with all its B vitamins) and the magnesium at the same time? Even with all of these is the dosage not enough? or too much?

The magnesium is -Meta Relax (folate 100 ug), magnesiumglycerofosfaat 900 mg, magnesiumelement 100 mg, taurine, +vitamins B again!!! - Vitamine B6 - 2mg and vit B12 1,5 ug again!!![/B]

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So that magnesium seems better than most mixtures we have here in US.

Therapeutic B-complexes in US usually start at 50mg of each item. B-right has 25mg of most. Still these are much higher than your combined products.

I do not think your B12 will be of much usefulness however. Most people use a high dose separately, here.
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Liza-PCS,

It appears you are taking a total of 505.2 ug of B-12. I take 2500 ug of B-12. I was taking 500 ug of B-12 for years but the smaller dose has become hard to find. Common dosages are 2500 to 5000 ug. mcg is the same as ug. Both refer to micrograms.

As mrsD says, your B-12, especially that in the multis (5.2 ug) is likely ineffective. The separate 500 ug of B-12 is hopefully methycobalamin. If it is cyanocobalamin, it may not be absorbed well.

It is not uncommon for people to take 50 to 100 mgs of B-6.

It appears you are using the RDA percentages as your guide. RDA's are only meant as a guideline to prevent malnutrition.
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[QUOTE=Mark in Idaho;945023]Here is the nutritional regimen I have followed for decades. It was prescribed for me by a doctor back in 1982. I have fallen of the wagon from time to time. Each time, my wife notices a difference and gets me back on the regimen. I have added a few things over the years.

The injured brain needs to do two things, First, it needs to cleanse itself of the toxic remnants of the injury. Second, it needs to regain strength (heal) in the damaged areas. B vitamins are the most important. I suggest:

B-12 (500 to 1000 mcgs daily)
a B-50 complex, for all the other B's so you get a good balance of B's
a high potency multi-vitamin like GNC Mega Women?Men. Centrum and One a Day are too weak.
Some extra anti-oxidants, Vit C and Vit E
D3, plenty of this, 1000 to 5000 iu's
Omega 3, 6, 9 fish oil
Calcium with magnesium

I also have added
Curcumin (pricy but worth it) 950 mgs daily This is a Turmeric extract
DHEA, 25 mgs , a hormone that helps the body balance the other hormones, If your skin gets oily try 1/2 of a 25 mgs tablet
a Costco High Energy multipack (7 pieces) in place of the multi-vitamin

I am currently trying CDC Choline to review it for the manufacturer. It appears to be helping with less foggy brain but after only three days, this could be just a coincidence. I'll post a better review of CDC Choline later.


good meat protein for the amino acids, pork is the best or for vegetarians, there is a seaweed based spirulina extract that sounds pretty good. Most vegetarians do not like to eat the seaweed directly.
a good amino acid supplement including essential fatty acid and BCAA (broken chain amino acid). Vegetarian diets are usually deficient in these so they need supplements. Spirulina is suggested as comprehensive enough.
avoid trans fats.

No caffeine, alcohol, MSG, artificial sweeteners (aspartame, Nutrasweet, Equal, Splenda, sucralose), high fructose corn sweetener, and only moderate natural sugar.

We should also avoid aluminum compounds. The most common aluminum is found in antiperspirants (aluminum chlorhydrate). They should be avoided.

My regimen based on the above costs about $1.30 to $1.50 per day including some non-brain supplements (arthritis).

I was started on the brain basics by a psychiatrist 30 years ago as a way to treat PCS depression and avoid medication. It was very effective. I am tempted to replace my paroxetine with 5-HTP or L-Tryptophan but have not been able to find any conversion factors.

The B-12 and the folic acid in the B-50 is important for repair of the myelin sheath that protects axon and dendrite fibers. The rest are for improving brain metabolism.

This regimen needs to be a long term or lifetime discipline. It take 4 to 8 weeks to see improvements.

After using the regimen for a month or so, it is good to get a blood test for the D3, B-12 and folate to make sure your blood levels are adequate. B-12 should be about 1000 pcgs/mL and folate at about 20 or higher.


There are three valuable resources for you to check out.

The TBI Survival Guide at.
Print it out (84 pages)

The YouTube "You Look Great" 6 part series


The brain line 'TBI Lost and Found'
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Share these with your family and/or friends. And, try to find a TBI support group to attend with your family. They can be a great source of support and understanding.

Home made Ice pack

My recipe for a flexible/crushable ice pack is simple. One part rubbing alcohol with three parts water in a zip lock baggies. Freeze them, three is good, so you can alternate them and always have a frozen one. Ice frequently for 15 minutes on and 30 minutes off and repeat. If you get any stiffness of head ache, get the ice pack out. The upper neck easily gets inflamed cause symptoms. This should make a difference.

[COLOR="Blue"]edit 02/28/2015---- Mark has requested we link to his new updated post which appears further down on this thread --post #1[\QUOTE]


Mark,

This question is probably rather stupid but I still need to ask it. I'm young and I don't know much about vitamins but for the b12s mine on the box say for the heart? I don't know if I should take these of there are some other b12s I should be taking? (I have not started your regimen yet I am currently just trying to gather up all the vitamins).

Currently I'm taking Omega 3 fish oils 500 mg daily and some sort of B vitamin 500 mg daily.
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B-12 comes in two forms, cyanocobalamin and methylcobalamin. The methyl form of B-12 is better. You should read the back of the label. Any health claims are meaningless to this discussion. The "some sort of B vitamin 500 mg daily" is a good example. Which B vitamin is it ?

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B-12 comes in two forms, cyanocobalamin and methylcobalamin. The methyl form of B-12 is better. You should read the back of the label. Any health claims are meaningless to this discussion. The "some sort of B vitamin 500 mg daily" is a good example. Which B vitamin is it ?

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The B vitamin is a "super b complex" says it supports cellular energy production and antioxidant support .
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