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Old 04-14-2013, 03:37 PM #1
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Default MMTR Clinic in Canada --Your opinions.

I came across this clinic on youtube by watching various testimonies and I have emailed them.

What do you think about the science behind this? Or in general? Thank you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNKYGuxCgUU

http://www.mmtr.ca/science-of-myoworx/

I have been finding that there are a few concussion clinics out there like these and would really like to go and see one! But I don't want to waste money and scared about the legitmacy of these.

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Old 04-14-2013, 09:11 PM #2
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I too considered it and my spouse had a long chat with the owner. I am dubious about the claims....there is no peer reviewed research to back it up; if the machine is so wonderful, why has it not been adopted or bought by others; the owner does not make it clear that he DOES NOT have a PhD (he writes ABD after PhD but it takes a university person to know that means he did his coursework and some exams but did not write the research thesis....a key part of the PhD), etc. Also, look at the list of conditions and diseases that he claims to be able to treat....pretty extensive and far fetched.
I think what helps some people is that his clinic focusses on the neck....which will help a lot of people ... But the same as if they went to a good physio /physical therapist.
Having said all that, if I lived right there and had a load of money, maybe I would try it! I am desperate, after all. Like many here.
If you haven't done so already, maybe you should post about your symptoms and you can get some good advice from the great people on this site.
It is hell....and I can completely understand your search.
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What happened: Legs pulled forward by a parent's hockey stick while resting at the side of the rink at a family skate....sent me straight back. I hit the back of my head (with helmet) on the ice, bounced a few times, unconscious for a few minutes. September 11, 2011. Off work since then…I work part-time at home when I can. It has been hell but slowly feeling better (when I am alone☺).

Current symptoms: Vision problems (but 20/20 in each eye alone!) – convergence insufficiency – horizontal and vertical (heterophoria), problems with tracking and saccades, peripheral vision problems, eyes see different colour tints; tinnitus 24/7 both ears; hyperacusis (noise filter gone!), labyrinthian (inner ear) concussion, vestibular dysfunction (dizzy, bedspins, need to look down when walking); partial loss of sense of smell; electric shocks through head when doing too much; headaches; emotional lability; memory blanks; difficulty concentrating. I still can’t go into busy, noisy places. Fatigue. Executive functioning was affected – multi-tasking, planning, motivation. Slight aphasia. Shooting pain up neck and limited mobility at neck. Otherwise lucky!

Current treatments: Vestibular therapy, Vision therapy, amantadine (100 mg a day), acupuncture and physiotherapy for neck, slow return to exercise, magnesium, resveratrol, omega 3 fish oils, vitamins D, B and multi. Optimism and perserverance.

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We have discussed MMTR many times here. As Mokey stated, he makes many claims that are not supported by evidence. His worst claim is the comments about FDA approval. He has never received any FDA approval. I take great exception to such false claims.

There is a saying, even a broken clock is correct twice a day. This to say, there are always patients that fit a specific profile to greatly benefit from these 'proprietary' protocols. The same is true of chiropractors and physio-therapists. There can be a specific patient-therapist relationship where the therapist has skills that uniquely help a specific patient. I know that I need to search for that specific therapist or chiro.

The important issue to understand is that therapist that is great with my body can be of little value to someone else.

This goes for Dr Carrick and his chiropractic neurology as well as MMTR.

btw, MMTR treats the issues with the neck and shoulders, not the concussion symptoms.
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Thank you everyone.

I've been reading a lot about the chiropractic neurology and neck and spine in relation to PCS. I at first doubted it because I knew my PCS was from when I had gotten punched in the head numerous times. How do you think spine and neck issues or pinched nerve issues would apply to my case? I've thought about people hitting thier heads and then maybe experiencing whiplash. But what do you think about my situation?

So this why I do have doubts. How would neck and spinal or shoulder issues be connected to my PCS migraines?


Thank you again.

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We have discussed MMTR many times here. As Mokey stated, he makes many claims that are not supported by evidence. His worst claim is the comments about FDA approval. He has never received any FDA approval. I take great exception to such false claims.

There is a saying, even a broken clock is correct twice a day. This to say, there are always patients that fit a specific profile to greatly benefit from these 'proprietary' protocols. The same is true of chiropractors and physio-therapists. There can be a specific patient-therapist relationship where the therapist has skills that uniquely help a specific patient. I know that I need to search for that specific therapist or chiro.

The important issue to understand is that therapist that is great with my body can be of little value to someone else.

This goes for Dr Carrick and his chiropractic neurology as well as MMTR.

btw, MMTR treats the issues with the neck and shoulders, not the concussion symptoms.
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Blue,

I doubt either system will be much help for you. For now, you need to focus on getting on a stress reducing regimen with a brain friendly diet. You need to determine what your symptoms are when you have a stable daily schedule of activity and diet. Then, you start working on each symptom. There is NOTHING that will help a multitude of symptoms.

After a week or two of a stable daily schedule of activity and diet, you should get a sense of your ongoing symptoms. You should also be able to feel a bit better as things settle down. Anxiety and constantly pursuing a quick fix is counter to getting better.

Can you post a list of your symptoms and how often they manifest ?
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Dear Mark,

Thanks for your reply.

My symptoms are chronic Migraine with left eye light sensitivity. I do feel its better in the morning and when i'm lying down then it starts to get progressively worse as the day goes on and at night.

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Blue,

I doubt either system will be much help for you. For now, you need to focus on getting on a stress reducing regimen with a brain friendly diet. You need to determine what your symptoms are when you have a stable daily schedule of activity and diet. Then, you start working on each symptom. There is NOTHING that will help a multitude of symptoms.

After a week or two of a stable daily schedule of activity and diet, you should get a sense of your ongoing symptoms. You should also be able to feel a bit better as things settle down. Anxiety and constantly pursuing a quick fix is counter to getting better.

Can you post a list of your symptoms and how often they manifest ?
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I attended MMTR from July-October 2011. I was away on a work placement for half of that time period so it meant a 4 hour commute to the treatments. I was desperate for a cure for my PCS and nievely optimistic this would be the answer.

The neck treatments, massage, stretches and exercises did help somewhat. When I went in for an appointment I generally came out feeling slightly better than I came in (part of this may be because I was laying down & resting for ~1 hr while hooked up to the machine and then the massage treatment). However, I was extremely frustrated that after 4 months I did not have the results I was promised. The owner/inventor (Terry Moore) frequently shared stories of clients back to sports within 6 weeks; yet my progress continued to be painstakingly slow.

I would say, yes if you live close, have physio coverage through health insurance/ money is not a concern; give it a try, as I don't doubt it does help some people, just not all. I will admit, sometimes I will still do the neck stretches they gave me and it may alleviate the headache.

The concerns addressed earlier in the thread I certainly agree with
-Terry Moore (inventor/clinic owner) PhD ABD=all but dissertation (ie he didn't really finish degree) and he is NOT A MEDICAL DOCTOR - so its kinda sketchy he's the one behind the treatment and he's not a real doctor. Yes, the physiotherapists there do the assessments, but I was not too impressed with them.
-The assessment involved testing strength such as doing planks (which I found ridiculous and unnecessary for someone recently concussed- not a good idea to subject to physical exertion when clearly experiencing symptoms at rest)
-I found they worked on the neck so much (the whole theory behind the treatments) that when I stopped, my neck was worse off than before I started. I had my neck assessed by an athletic therapist who I trust (before I began MMTR), and he did not find any neck issues. But after I have stopped going I find my neck is stiff/sore moreso than it was before - I attribute to because it was worked on so much with the electrostimulation machine, massage, streching etc. and then to stop.

I will admit it did help my morale while going to treatments as I was optimistic it would really help. Having the stretches and exercises to do helped me feel like I was actually doing something to speed up the recovery and satisfied the inner athlete in me to have a "exercise" program to stick to. However, this made it a big let down when I made very little progress after faithfully attending MMTR for 4 months and I and my dad sacrificed sooo much to attend this clinic.

I'd be happy to answer any other questions as I have experience at MMTR
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You had to try. I understand, as we all feel rather desperate to get our lives back and stop the pain. Thanks so much for taking the time to share your experience. Hang in there!
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Current symptoms: Vision problems (but 20/20 in each eye alone!) – convergence insufficiency – horizontal and vertical (heterophoria), problems with tracking and saccades, peripheral vision problems, eyes see different colour tints; tinnitus 24/7 both ears; hyperacusis (noise filter gone!), labyrinthian (inner ear) concussion, vestibular dysfunction (dizzy, bedspins, need to look down when walking); partial loss of sense of smell; electric shocks through head when doing too much; headaches; emotional lability; memory blanks; difficulty concentrating. I still can’t go into busy, noisy places. Fatigue. Executive functioning was affected – multi-tasking, planning, motivation. Slight aphasia. Shooting pain up neck and limited mobility at neck. Otherwise lucky!

Current treatments: Vestibular therapy, Vision therapy, amantadine (100 mg a day), acupuncture and physiotherapy for neck, slow return to exercise, magnesium, resveratrol, omega 3 fish oils, vitamins D, B and multi. Optimism and perserverance.

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Thank you so much for sharing your story with us. Good luck to you.

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I attended MMTR from July-October 2011. I was away on a work placement for half of that time period so it meant a 4 hour commute to the treatments. I was desperate for a cure for my PCS and nievely optimistic this would be the answer.

The neck treatments, massage, stretches and exercises did help somewhat. When I went in for an appointment I generally came out feeling slightly better than I came in (part of this may be because I was laying down & resting for ~1 hr while hooked up to the machine and then the massage treatment). However, I was extremely frustrated that after 4 months I did not have the results I was promised. The owner/inventor (Terry Moore) frequently shared stories of clients back to sports within 6 weeks; yet my progress continued to be painstakingly slow.

I would say, yes if you live close, have physio coverage through health insurance/ money is not a concern; give it a try, as I don't doubt it does help some people, just not all. I will admit, sometimes I will still do the neck stretches they gave me and it may alleviate the headache.

The concerns addressed earlier in the thread I certainly agree with
-Terry Moore (inventor/clinic owner) PhD ABD=all but dissertation (ie he didn't really finish degree) and he is NOT A MEDICAL DOCTOR - so its kinda sketchy he's the one behind the treatment and he's not a real doctor. Yes, the physiotherapists there do the assessments, but I was not too impressed with them.
-The assessment involved testing strength such as doing planks (which I found ridiculous and unnecessary for someone recently concussed- not a good idea to subject to physical exertion when clearly experiencing symptoms at rest)
-I found they worked on the neck so much (the whole theory behind the treatments) that when I stopped, my neck was worse off than before I started. I had my neck assessed by an athletic therapist who I trust (before I began MMTR), and he did not find any neck issues. But after I have stopped going I find my neck is stiff/sore moreso than it was before - I attribute to because it was worked on so much with the electrostimulation machine, massage, streching etc. and then to stop.

I will admit it did help my morale while going to treatments as I was optimistic it would really help. Having the stretches and exercises to do helped me feel like I was actually doing something to speed up the recovery and satisfied the inner athlete in me to have a "exercise" program to stick to. However, this made it a big let down when I made very little progress after faithfully attending MMTR for 4 months and I and my dad sacrificed sooo much to attend this clinic.

I'd be happy to answer any other questions as I have experience at MMTR
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Comeback,

I was wondering if you could tell me more about MMTR? I'm almost 2 months in from my injury and I'm willing to try anything to help. I'm headed to Buffalo to see Dr Leddy and start the regulated exercise porgram and I'm thinking about going to MMTR if that doesnt work.

Did you notice any improvment after the completion of the treatment? Did you keep up with their strict post treatment regiment?

Thanks.
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