MAGNESIUM Information:

WHYMEA · 06-23-2013, 09:38 PM

HI,mrsD,THE question i have for today is if i grind up nuts to put in oatmeal
will the heat destroy any of the nutrients that i may need from them as i a have what is called highly resistant insulin problem as i take about 150u of
LANTUS IN (2)INJECTIONS EACH DAY and about 40 to 50 u NOVOLOG as needed before each meal.
Started B-12 (5000) A FEW DAYS ago METHYL type,multi-vitimin for seniors by
puritan pride,DR put me on (5000)iu a day.
I have a lot of leg cramps once in a while,that is why i was asking about putting ground up nuts in the oatmeal,any thoughts would be appreciated also
coming up on 72 in a month,but i think i am going blind because i did not see old age sneaking up on me.
Still have about 15pages to go before i am done magnesium post

mrsD · 06-24-2013, 06:32 AM

If you are adding ground flax seeds to the oatmeal... it should be okay if the oatmeal is at a temp safe for eating. I would not add them while you are cooking it up. The Omega-3s in flax seeds, are heat sensitive.

Other nuts should be okay too.

Almonds are especially good sources of magnesium, but cashews and peanuts have some.

This link will show you what is in food and is very handy:
http://nutritiondata.self.com/

The serving size each page represents is shown in the upper left of each page.

Kitt · 06-24-2013, 09:32 AM

There should not be a problem of adding ground flaxseed in your oatmeal and then cooking it. Several sites I have read said that. Remember ground flaxseed can be added before baking to breads, pancakes, muffins you name it and they are all baked. I add it to my oatmeal before I make it. I also add it to cold cereal when I occasionally eat that. I eat oatmeal every morning and have done this forever just because I like it. A number of years ago is when I started adding ground flaxseed.

mrsD · 06-24-2013, 09:45 AM

Thank you Kitt.... back when Omega-3/s were not understood well, there was the suggestion to avoid heat with them.

Since then some experiments have been done on whole flax seeds, and here is the link:

http://whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=dailytip&dbid=18

WHYMEA · 06-24-2013, 11:19 AM

HI,Thanks for info.

Kitt · 06-24-2013, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsD

Thank you Kitt.... back when Omega-3/s were not understood well, there was the suggestion to avoid heat with them.

Since then some experiments have been done on whole flax seeds, and here is the link:

http://whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=dailytip&dbid=18

Great article and thank you for it mrsD.

WHYMEA · 07-18-2013, 10:44 PM

HI,I called SPECTRACELL LABS today and they said the cost of their test kit
was $ 370.00,my question is has anybody on this forum had tests done by them and were on MEDICARE as i am and did MEDICARE pay any part of it.

einkorn · 10-15-2013, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsD

There are two types of magnesium supplement...
1)inorganic salts
2)organic chelates.

Inorganic salts include epsom salts (magnesium sulfate), magnesium chloride
as found in delayed release forms SlowMag, and its generic equivs MagDelay and Mag64.
And Magnesium Oxide (which time has proven in studies to be next to useless).

The chelates are citrate, lactate, glycinate, malate, taurate..these are the most common. This is magnesium bonded to an amino acid which then allows for better absorption with less stool loosening (a common side effect).

Recent studies have shown that not all magnesium supplements are bioavailable --meaning absorbed well from the GI tract.

Magnesium lactate is the best, most completely absorbed.
Magneisum oxide is the worst, by far, and should be avoided.

The rest provide in intermediate level of success and if you want dual effects, some of the chelates afford those. Magnesium taurate provides taurine, which some Tourette's patients do well on. Taurine is also good for the heart.
Magnesium malate provides malic acid which Fibromyalgia patients often find helpful. Anyone with muscle issues would find this useful.
Magnesium citrate can be very laxative, but some people find this useful if they have chronic constipation.

For many, foods offer a safe and easy way to get enough magnesium. This is best for children, and I prefer this way myself. The Linus Pauling site I posted above gives good food choices to do it this way. It also provides dosing suggestions. When taking a supplement of magnesium, one has to consider how much one is getting from food. Most people do not need high doses of magnesium supplements, for that reason. The general rule of thumb is to take at least 1/2 of the suggested RDA in a supplement form. Also people with renal (kidney) disorders must have their blood checked and some physician supervision while taking magnesium supplements.

Overdosing on oral magnesium usually leads to diarrhea in normal people without kidney issues. So toxicity is difficult to reach. But in babies given enemas (Fleet's) magnesium poisoning is a real danger. Adults with eating disorders who purge this way using enemas like this can become a statistic in a poisoning event. Poisoning with magnesium yearly is rather low risk,
usually in the double digits, nationally. Elderly patients with impaired renal function are also at risk when given enemas, citrate of magnesia for X-rays, or Magnesium sulfate IV. They are not commonly poisoned orally with supplements.

The next thread I post here will be about elemental values.
Many supplements have confusing labels, and you may think you are taking something and really receiving something else.

your saying that magnesium chelated with lactate is best absorbed is based on what resource ? while am finding just the opposite its the worse one
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and while now a day top brands are using glycinate as being the best absorbed and more recently also lysinate plus malate is being added apparently those along with glycinate renders it even more bio available ? or more soothing to the digestive system ? such as the one made by albion labs

mrsD · 10-16-2013, 06:31 AM

Welcome to NeuroTalk:

Post # 10 in this thread has the links explaining absorption of oral products.

All oral magnesium has flaws. Some just more than others.
Magnesium oxide does not ionize in GI tract so passes mostly thru to become a laxative. Phillips caplets contain this form and are advertised as a "gentle" overnight laxative. The magnesium stearate in vitamins is also inert and passes thru. Many people see stearate listed on labels and think they are getting magnesium, but they are not.

Minerals can be blocked during absorption if certain drugs are taken. Acid blocking drugs for GERD, will reduce some magnesium absorption, for example. If you listen carefully to the commercials on TV, they even state that now. But for many years this was not understood well. Also if a person has Celiac or gluten intolerance magnesium will be poorly absorbed no matter what form it is in.

Diuretics deplete magnesium and many drugs affect its utilization in some ways...hormone treatments, long term antibiotics (as in Lyme treatments), and steroid treatments will affect magnesium in the body. (this information is from Drug Induced Nutrient Depletion Handbook, by Pelton and LaValle, 2nd ed.)

Personally I've been using magnesium in a new lotion called Morton's Epsom Lotion. This has been the best for me. It even reduces pain levels, and my hypertension.
http://www.mortonsalt.com/for-your-h...-epsom-lotion/
This is still new but available inexpensively at WalMart and Amazon. I expect to see it at more sellers soon. It is just fabulous and I no longer take oral supplements myself. And I've reduced my hypertension medication from 3 to one small dose.
It is really good for muscle strains, tendon problems, or nerve pain. When people have circulation issues, where the small blood vessels are constricted the topical works much better than oral. The mag in the blood really can't get to places, where circulation is impaired. Inflammation, for example, that is long term does this or oral is hampered whereas topical bypasses that issue.

This is a long thread, and encompasses many years--since 2006. I put up scientific papers when I find them on PubMed...and so one has to read along to find those. Medical topics tend to have conflicting studies at times like most other medical information, so NOTHING is caste in stone with supplements, drugs, devices, or treatments. It has been relatively recent that studies on bioavailability have been done at all.

reverett123 · 10-16-2013, 03:09 PM

I have done a serious amount of searching to no avail and hope you can give me a clue. I find that magnesium citrate supplements knock me out. I get so groggy that I can't think, walk, or talk and I am seriously "hung over" all the next day. It is a very unpleasent sensation. I am trying to balance against potassium at the same time if that sheds any light.

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