Originally Posted by tinglytoes

I have to thank you for the time and effort it took to share your perspective on these issues. I have no doubt your mind is in very fine shape, very bright, insightful and wise in the ways of adaptation to circumstances beyond ones personal control. The mark of a wise person, fully "cooked" in the process of becoming fully human. (My personal goal) You state clearly with personal experience the process of individuation leading to the transcendence of personal suffering. The point is to have no 'hope' left, only surrender and acceptance to what presents itself in this life right now. Perceiving perfection in all that is in this moment is the way out of suffering. Right on! Every teacher from all traditions came to this same conclusion. The only thing we can control is our willingness to live life fully embodied, while never forgetting our divine nature at the same time. Is this not the cross, paradox itself?!

I loved the reference to your dad's talk on wounded healer. Yes this does sum up my own viewpoint of the process. I know that some folks presume to attribute meaning to this term, but only those who have explored the dimensions of this process would dare to presume the label for themselves. I see you have dared, without the least presumption, and it strikes me as an awesome journey. I have not had clarity in understanding the symptomatic and psychological aspects of MS and appreciate your descriptions very much. It helps me to understand the broader range of how people suffer alone and often in silence. Have you ever read Prema Chodren's book called When Things Fall Apart? /She is a primary example of heroic wounded healer "friend". From how you write, I suspect there is some Buddhist background in your life somewhere.

How difficult it must be to be both lonely and beyond the ability to find relief in close interactions with others! yes, thank godess for technology today. I think of the phrase I often remember to tell myself when things are challenging--'Jesus did not only get on the cross way back then, we all get on the cross every day !-- Meaning life is what it IS as you so aptly put it. And that life is inherently a cross of the sublime spiritual forces meeting the sometimes horrific humanity of this physical reality. It is no ones sin, judgment, fault or failing. Only what being human allows us to "face, fight and finish-Baba Hari Das" in this lifetime. Or the next lifetime if you prefer to see the karmic angle as valid.

It occurred to me that we have gone far afield of the original posted topic relating to computers, face book, or anything tech related. Do you suppose we should begin to converse via one on one messages which could be posted or not in another area on this site?

I admit to being overwhelmed at times with the options and choices, and very naive on what the proper etiquette is. I am very low tech in nature. I have enjoyed thinking aloud with another who not only gets me but shares such a rich level of experiences which enriches my own.

Let's continue to expand on the theme of "normalizing the abnormal" and often invisible disabilities, into the realm of an encompassing version of real life as it IS-rather than the preferred version of life being the only option worthy of acceptance!

At one point in the last year, I had the strong urge to start a support group for anyone affected by the struggle to cope with any apparent or hidden handicap. I had the idea to use the acronym PRISM-Progressive, Recurrent, Illness and Soul Making-(it looks better in written form because it is harder to say without sounding like prison). Especially to invite caregivers, family and friends to share what works and expand the collective definition of what healthy means.

We desperatly need new training in this area for therapists and professionals on every level. Our country has so sanitized suffering, death, dying and loss, into the rejected realms of society, that we do not have enough opportunity to learn from what happens naturally and is a given in other cultures, nor options of how to perceive suffering in a healthier way. We are very poorly informed in this area to say the least. My exposure to fullness of real life was discovering a whole world paralled mine. Beginning most crucially with my stroke. I was completely unaware of this parallel reality. To say the shock was profound is an understatement.

Maybe a new blog topic of the trans-personal meeting the personal within the neuro-talk community? Whatcha think?

Blesssings and Thanks for You Friend, TT