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Old 05-13-2008, 01:42 AM #11
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Um ... your last post sounds like: I'm done with this for now. But I want to give you something else to ponder, so I'll go ahead:

You are a sweet person to be understanding of why the people you grew up with, especially your parents, were so hard with you. But the fact that you understand why they were so hard, takes away nothing from the fact that it may have hurt you and diminished your feeling of self-esteem. You can state that someone or something hurt you, without blaming.

Could it be that the feelings you had at the time were so unpleasant that you shut them away? This would account for the memory of that time being so detached.

You are never too old to gain insight into why you feel and think the way you do, what you feel is hampering about it, and to change it. The brain is the only organ that is capable of growth till the day you die. "All" you have to do is find what you want to do or feel differently and what works for you to effect these changes. Simple, huh? LOL
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:21 AM #12
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I was in my mid-twenties before it ever occurred to me that I was a part of a somewhat disfunctional family. Finding out differently was a very revealing revelation.
I remember when I did this too!

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I do have an irrational fear of approaching people intimately. I can talk to them very comfortably, but when the conversation turns to personal subjects, I become uncomfortable very quickly, and back away from them. I suppose my greatest fear is of being ridiculed for something about me which I can't change.
Idealist, I did this exact same thing! My avoidance of being "revealed" in front of others caused a lot of anxiety! I have put this behind me now. Let me think of how I did it.... One component of it is shame. I think that a person feels a lot of shame in our situations. Another thing that helped me overcome this is to realize that many people reveal less than ideal things about themselves and they do not feel shame. Oprah is very forthcoming about her abuse. You have to ease into it and gain comfort with it and know when to do it. If you drop any info onto a person when you feel very uncomfortable with it, it will make them uncomfortable too. I am at the point where I can tell people that I came from a dysfunctional family and that I grew up poor but I say it without any emotional baggage attached to it because I have worked through that. Do you really think that these people would ridicule you? For me, I wouldn't share personal info with people who would ridicule me. So I guess you need to get comfortable with your past then?

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I don't see myself as a child and myself as an adult being the same two people.
This is a very fascinating revelation!!!!! Working through this will help you to get comfortable with your past. Again, I did this same thing! What I have realized is that what you are doing and what I did was living your life without having it integrated. You are in two peices and what will bring you relief is to integrate your two selves. Have you ever heard of inner child work? This is what I did. Right now you are not accepting your inner child. Do you dislike him? You have to learn to love him. When you do this you will integrate yourself and finally feel all your power. Do you see how this is related to your low self-worth? Your upbringing brought you to believe that you are of no value and you still believe this. When you learn to love that little boy your self worth will skyrocket to where it should be.
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Old 07-12-2008, 12:52 AM #13
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Yup. Abuse causes sickness.

Without abuse, there would be no sickness.

If we all had secure jobs, adequate pay, a roof over our heads, if we could afford food for our families, if we could pay our rents/mortgages, there would be nothing for Psychiatrists to diagnose.

Therefore, it is society that is sick, not individuals.

Proof's in the pudding.

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It's the most famous question in the world. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Over the past few years I've been wondering something myself that calls for a similar question. Namely it's this: which comes first, the depression or the illness?

I've been through the whole depression routine a few times now. A year after I became ill, I holed up in my bedroom for nearly a year. I wouldn't come out of my room except to go see a doctor. I even ate my meals there. I lost so much weight that my PM put me on meds to increase my weight.

I know there are people who suffer from clinic depression, and that's their sole illness. I have a sister like that. But most of the people who come to this site have another illness, and their depression is secondary to that. There are ones who are lonely, who live in constant pain, who have been abandoned or treated badly because of their condition, or are simply not believed by family or friends.

My doctors are always trying to put me on anti-depressants. But I don't like the way they make me feel. They always argue that depression is a disease, and it needs to be treated. I agree with that, but in my case at least I don't think it can be fixed by a pill.

When I became ill I owned my own successful business, lived in a nice, big house, and could afford things like vacations or having a steak once a week. Since then I've lost the business, lost my ability to pursue the things I love, had my wife ask me to leave, and have had to relearn everything from how to walk to how I ride in a car, because of my constant pain. Isn't it natural that I would feel depressed?

How many others on this site fight with depression because of loneliness or isolation? Or because they feel so guilty for not being able to provide the things they feel they should provide. Or even because they just simply have no one to talk to who will really listen and care? Depression like that needs to be treated by altering one's outlook. By learning how to live again in spite of one's disability. People need something positive to happen in their lives, not a pill which will simply deaden their feelings.

It hasn't been easy, but I've been working hard to rebuild my life. There are times when I fail, or relapse into deep depression for a while, but all in all I am doing so much more than I did a few years ago. But I really believe that the most important way to get past the depression and back into life is to have a person to talk to who you know will honestly care, and who doesn't listen just to be polite. I'm lucky, I guess, because I've had a few friends like that. But not everyone does. And my heart goes out to all of them. Depression is a deep, dark dungeon, and there are many stairs which have to be climbed to reach the sunlight above. But the end is worth it. I just hope that anyone who is sitting at home right now, fighting back tears or feeling empty and lost, will think about this, and put on their boxing gloves. Life is for living, and it is worth living even if you are left with only half of the life you had. Forgive yourself for being ill. It's not your fault, but forgive yourself anyway if you feel guilty or full of blame. I really care about people who feel bad, and I don't make a difference for a toothache, a bad spine, or a deep depression. They all hurt just as bad in their own way.

So I just want all of you to know that I think about this, and you, all the time. I pray for those who feel so bad inside. And I send you all the good luck and very best wishes I can draw from inside me. Love yourself, because others love you, too.
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