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Old 12-21-2013, 11:17 AM #1
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Argh...this is where the Canadian medical system really sucks. The wait for specialist appointments is a round a year here too. If you have to wait that long, at least try to get your PCP to refer you to an MS Clinic neuro, if there is one in Ontario. I waited for about a year to first see mine, but he is the head of the MS Clinic in B.C. The draw back is that he is super busy, is interested and involved in research and hasn't shown a great deal of interest in my situation since he determined that I am now SPMS.

When I first saw him though, it was because the body went into a relapse and didn't go into remission. He ordered all sorts of tests and evaluations to exclude secondary diseases or MS similars. That all took another year to complete and get back in to see him again. But at least I got some answers. I honestly don't think that I would have gotten that from a regular neuro...and I've seen quite a few over the years.

Also, depending on your financial situation, your PCP can write a request for an MRI that can then be done in a private clinic. The wait is usually under a week and the cost for a brain MRI is around $ 800.00.
Here's the listings for the ones in Ontario:

Ontario MRI Clinics for Private MRI Scans in Ontario
http://www.findprivateclinics.ca/Ont...-9-0-82-0.html

Raynaud's is a distinct possibility for your hands turning blue but it might be worth having a check on general circulatory system stuff as well. Have you had an ECG and blood work done?

Also, I'm a bit surprised that the doctor prescribed Flexeril. It really isn't recommended for chronic spasticity and is more often used for spasms due to acute conditions like post surgery and injury. It might help with a differential diagnosis though, because it does nothing for neurogenic spasticity, which is what causes most of the spasms in MS and other neuro-immune disorders. Baclofen is the most common drug used for MS spasticity.
Thus it will be interesting to see if Flexeril has an effect on the spasms that you are experiencing.

Flexeril is a sedative-type drug, so be careful and watchful for dizziness, in-coordination and weakness; especially in the first few days that you are taking it.

Here's some info from a pharmacy data base for prescribing practitioners:

FLEXERIL should be used only for short periods (up to two or three weeks) because adequate evidence of effectiveness for more prolonged use is not available and because muscle spasm associated with acute, painful musculo-skeletal conditions is generally of short duration and specific therapy for longer periods is seldom warranted.

FLEXERIL has not been found effective in the treatment of spasticity associated with cerebral or spinal cord disease, or in children with cerebral palsy.


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Hi Erika,
I went to an MS clinic in Toronto, my appointment was in May2011 my MRI was done in July2011... so he was looking at an old MRI.

He was very impatient with me as I was having spasticity and couldn't straighten my leg while he was examining me.

He then sent me home.. said it made no sense to come back since at my age I should have been worse.

My report from my GP said it was a Neurological Abnormality.

I don't understand why I can't get a dx.

Every doctor that I see.. the first thing they say is.."why haven't you been dx yet" I wish they would do it based on symptom alone. I have been tested for everything else.. B12 is fine.. no lupus..

Totally frustrated and going downhill fast.
The last time I relapsed I wasn't this bad.. I'm dragging my foot and my left arm is really heavy and uncoordinated.

When they checked my reflexes I had none in my left leg but my right leg was insanely strong.

I'm glad its all documented by I will video take pics when it happens
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I have to ask (as I do all), have you got a copy of mri on cd so YOU can look?

Blue hands tells me blood flow/plumbing needs repair.

Sorry to hear 1yr wait, I guess that's the downside of every person being able to see a dr at will. Hope usa doesn't go downhill.
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I have to ask (as I do all), have you got a copy of mri on cd so YOU can look?

Blue hands tells me blood flow/plumbing needs repair.

Sorry to hear 1yr wait, I guess that's the downside of every person being able to see a dr at will. Hope usa doesn't go downhill.
I will make sure I get a copy of my mri, they wouldn't let me last time.
But this is a new neuro.

The Canadian medical system isn't what its all cracked up to be, no doctors and long wait times to see a specialist.
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HI everyone,

I just got back from the ER, the Dr. seen my spasticity an asked me why I haven't been dx yet.. that is the million $ question.

My body didn't let me down, I had a tonne of spasticity which he documented.. and my hands turned blue while I was there.. he tried to massage my foot.. he asked me if my feet turn inward and on cue it did..

So he prescribed flexural, and is getting me an appt and neuro asap.
No steroids.. he said normal wait time for a neuro is about 1 yr when a family dr refers it..

He said to call them back next week if they haven't called me.
Normal wait is a YEAR for an appointment - are they out of their minds ???????????????????????
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Thanks Karen,

I'm going to be calling tomorrow morning.
I'm going to ask and see if I can have an MRI booked while I'm still in this flare.
We'll see.


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I'm shocked! Very poor care.
Please reread Mrs. D's advice on minerals and D3 which might help you. I would be having really bad spasticity if I were not taking enough magnesium and calcium. I do not know if the D3 is related (must be, for absorption?) but my pcp tested me for D3 deficiency as she did for many patients, since it's almost an epidemic.

I have regulated spasticity without Baclofen for a couple of decades, so long ago I can't even remember the date. My neurologist at Scripps suggested I find a Mag which causes the least diarrhea, since I failed spectacularly on Baclofen and Zanaflex. It worked. I do need an equal amount of calcium, unless I've had a lot of dairy in one day, in which I case I lower the calcium. It works out to about 1000 mg Mag and 1000 mg Calcium. i take them in divided doses, for better absorption, and take the Mag separate from the Calcium, also for better metabolism of the minerals, which are "antagonists" (Have I got that right, Mrs. D?) B1 will potentiate magnesium (100 mg a day, not too much). Vitamin E complex now seems necessary too.
I have progressed to the point where I also must do extensive stretching and self message. I include fervent prayer to my night-time routine. About half the nights I may be kept awake with uncontrollable spasm and jerking of legs and low back, but getting up and drinking ginger tea and taking my mind off the condition helps. I don't know why it is worse at night.
My condition may be caused by MS or by Porphyria. I do not know which, although I suspect that porphyria (especially my type) sometimes results in MS signs and symptoms. Both can cause neuropathy. I am still walking well most of the time. Use a cane if navigating rough terrain or stairs, because feet are numb.
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