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For those who don't follow the Tysabri thread, RW announced the 7th patient with PML had been discovered in Europe:
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I had my 21st infusion today and he gave me the news of the most recent death.
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And I agree that people are probably being watched like hawks, especially as the number of cases increases. The ratio of 1:1000 was predicted for over 18 months of use, and we are getting to the point where there are a fair number who are reaching that timeline now . . . so no doubt the doctors will be more vigilant and/or hyper-sensitive to any news that comes out over the next 6 -12 months. Originally it was thought that this Florida woman was sent home and doing ok, but then she dies! ![]() There are only 9500 who've been on it long enough (and a large % of those were in the trials), and who've come down with PML . . . so I don't think they claim to have any clear patterns emerging. At this point it seems to be luck of the draw whether we will get PML, and/or whether we will live through it. But, like I said, everyone on it already accepts that risk. Cherie
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"Biogen has hoped that PML could eventually could be a "survivable adverse event." "
^^ This line REALLY bothered me from the article. 'Adverse event'? You kidding me? It's almost like they're downplaying the severity of PML... at least that's what I took home from their choice of words.
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My neuro insists that all of his patients on Tysabri undergo a spinal fluid analysis every six months, in an attempt to detect activated JC virus.
He's pulled a number of patients off of the drug who have come up positive for the activated virus but had not yet developed PML. I'm on Rituxan, another drug associated with PML. I should be scheduled to have a spinal tap for spinal fluid analysis purposes sometime in the next few weeks... |
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Apparently it is "survivable" if you have HIV or AIDS but not in this situation? (I remember reading that somewhere I think or my neuro told me.) It isn't really something you recover from, not like you can go back to any semblance of your life before PML in these cases, if you happen to survive.
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"Survivable adverse event" doesn't sound as tuned out as "treatable side-effect" . . .
"Patients on the drug are now closely monitored and four cases of the often fatal infection have occurred since its July 2006 relaunch, but the death may quell hope that PML could be a treatable side effect of the drug." Like Wiz said, it's not like a person has a chance of EVER recovering from the damage that PML causes . . . ![]() Cherie
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Your PML stats are wrong. Check page 14 of this link:
//library.corporate-ir.net/library/14/148/148682/items/278364/Q4-07%20Earnings%20Slides.pdf The safety information lists 0 (zero) patients at 1 year of therapy until Dec 2007. The reference to trials does not include the trials for approval but the trials that were started upon Tysabri reintroduction. You are also misinformed about the us TOUCH program. Part of the program is the screening for putting the proper patients on the drug. The more important part is the monthly pre-infusion checklist to monitor for any new or worsening symptoms. Let's see PML in 1 out of 19500 Tysabri patients in the US (with TOUCH) while there's been PML in 3 out of 16000 Tysabri patients in Europe. Seems like TOUCH could be making a difference. Clearly you think you know and are correct about everything regarding Tysabri so there isn't much point in discussing this further. Chris Last edited by Chemar; 12-28-2008 at 11:07 AM. Reason: nt guidelines |
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As per my link (below), as at June/08 the numbers were: Quote:
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Therefore, the 6600 number (which is now 9500, or at least last we heard in Dec), includes the 3000 (or there-abouts) from the trials, just as the "announced" number in June/08 did. There is additional info on the international participants (at that point in time) in this link: http://www.neura.net/channels/1.asp?id=942 Chemar has asked that we don’t argue about this any more, and I will respect that. If you wish to debate your understanding of the numbers vs. what I have just provided . . . we can talk about this further by PM (or email, if you don’t have PM rights yet), I am happy to do that. Perhaps we can come to an agreement that way, then report back here ...? Cherie
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