this may seem like over-simplification - but it struck a chord with me.
heres the words


Change can come on tiptoe love is where it starts
It resides, often hides deep within our hearts
And just as pebbles make a mountain, raindrops make a sea
One day at a time change begins with you and me

Ordinary miracles happen all around
Just by giving and receiving
Comes belonging and believing

Every sun that rises, never rose before
Each new day leads the way through a different door
And we can all be quiet heroes, living quiet days
Walking through the world, changing it in quiet ways

Ordinary miracles like candles in the dark
Each and every one of us lights a spark

And the walls can tumble
And the mountains can move
The winds and the tide can turn

Yes, ordinary miracles, one for every star
No lightning bolt or clap of thunder, only joy and quiet wonder
Endless possibilities right before our eyes
Oh, see the way a miracle multiplies

Now hope can spring eternally, plant it and it grows
Love is all that’s necessary, lovin’, it’s extraordinary
Woah, makes ordinary miracles every blessed day

Lyrics By Alan & Marilyn Bergman and Marvin Hamlisch


and heres the music:
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Lourdes in France is a site of Catholic pilgrimage which receives somewhere between 5.5 and 6 million visitors per year, many of them in poor health and in pursuit of a miracle cure by means of Divine intervention. Of this number, many thousands apply to the official Church channels for recognition of what they regard as a miracle cure. Of these, only 66 have so far achieved official miracle status.

This is not an impressive record on the miracle front, given the numbers involved, and fares badly in comparison with the occurrence of spontaneous remission among the broader population of sick people who may or may not attribute their recovery to Divine intercession.

The writer Emile Zola asks why is there not a pile of abandoned wooden legs or prostheses alongside the abandoned crutches at Lourdes, in true defiance of the laws of biology and physics?

[QUOTE=paula_w;735506] where 2 or more are gathered....
Zephaniah 3:19

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Dear Paula

Imagine the change that would happen with a simple shift of mass perception of disease itself rather than being a beast but a gift...an evolutionary driver...( the evolutionary engine of life showing life to itself) the challenges give birth to the gifts....and what we resist persists.

Enormous clarity and wisdom (evolution)come from hardship...consider great artists and poets. not to say that we HAVE t o suffer always - but -the cultural conditioning that we were born in sin when eve bit the apple sort of set us up for a deep subconscious belief that intrinsically we are undeserving of miracles. but is that true? how can we know that is absolutely true? so the question becomes how do we move the evolutionary process forward?

we already have so many resources to draw on globally that we don't use-i.e. fava is a popular remedy in Europe . Aryuvedic medicine has reportedly treated PD successfully but we haven't pooled this information--it occurs to me that if modern medicine needs to see what unmedicated pd looks like why not go to India tofind the "millions" of unmedicated that Lindylanka refers to.

We already have ALOT of technology we could benefit from - it just hasn't become mainstream.

really enjoy your posts Paula

sharilyn

Believe me Moondaughter, they ARE there. My grandmother was one of them.

Do you not think that there will be many more throughout the poorer parts of what might be called the Russian Federation and into the northern regions of Asia, and that swathe of islands that is Indonesia, Malaysia, the Phillipines. And in China......... And many of them will not being treated with mucuna either...... or have the wherewithal for medicine..... or travelling to find it...

What some of them will have is family who will look after them, because there are few places in care homes, and massage because that is part of their culture, and in China there will be Tai Chi in the parks for elders, it used to be like a religion, the daily visit to the park, I hope it is still there. When I started Tai Chi around 30 years ago we were taught that it is really an art for people over 50, and it is there to maintain our bodies, the movements are there to keep us moving. i do not have a class to go to at the moment, but use it daily to help me.... Other things they may have access to is oil massage, younger children do massage with their feet, to help stiffness and pain, special diet that is integral to the way food is prepared, and much less pre-prepared food. And daughters-in-law who are trained to look after the elders in the family and take away the stress of having to be responsible for a household....... Different world.......

But it is there - I see newly arrived elderly people here in my UK city from the east with PD, they do look different from the treated PwP, frailer, more stooped, and older even when they are not. They have quieter voices too, but on the positive side they seem more mentally alert. In a city where many thousands in a very mixed community use public transport, as I do, you can spot the PwP quite easily.....

Indeed, I do. Please forgive the oversight of not acknowledging all of our brothers and sisters and thank you for being a voice of integrity. I would add that in addition there likely are many here in North America as well...among them homeless veterans of the Gulf war. Perhaps these people hold some keys - a way back to understanding the biological mechanisms that started the fire that created the fierce and relentless wind that blow through our bodies.

I live in a very rural sparsley populated area so their presence is a distant one albeit not forgotten. The choice for allopathic health care ever narrows for millions daily in the U.S. Seems to me that we wont "cure" pd without getting back to some of the basics. We need to nourish our children and meditate more...from your description of what you see I am wondering if the life span of the unmedicated is also drastically shortened. Technology has brought us to a place where we keep people alive but often just by a thread or at the expense of quality of life.

many kind regards to you way across the atlantic lindylanka! so cool that we can talk at the touch of a few buttons. thanks to the folks at BT for providing this forum.

Please tell us more about your grandmother..

md

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i have been reading the new posts in this thread as my carpets are being cleaned, with a little space in the corner of the couch, which is in the dining area, to sit upon. Hard to think in the spiritual mode.

Moondaughter, your posts have lifted my spirit. i have met lindy and she is a warm, calm, centered person who has seen suffering and has suffered herself. We all suffer. I liked your evolutionary idea because it combines science and the spirit. When patients speak to doctors and the FDA about sham surgery causing psychological trauma, the audience just sits there and looks at them.

How can you measure the human spirit? Yet all populations have it and i don't think science is going to do it without factoring in the patient inner self.

We all have our own spirit, but when combined, create synergy. it's about synergy and balance. Everything is becoming out of balance, and humans cannot withstand it.

IMHO

I hope this is not going off topic too much but we are on the subject of alternative treatment/cure. I notice that back in 08 you were using Dopavite.Did that alleviate your symptoms long term?

[QUOTE=EnglishCountryDancer;760908]I hope this is not going off topic too much but we are on the subject of alternative treatment/cure. I notice that back in 08 you were using Dopavite.Did that alleviate your symptoms long term?[/QUOTE


I am so sorry Muireann that I spelt your name incorrectly.Sheer carelessness on my part.Unfortuately, I cannot edit the title

Hi ECD,

I've come off meds twice, the first time I did very well but then my progress was hampered by a sudden onset of nut allergy and an episode of anaphylactic shock. All that eventually landed me back on PD meds.

But then I quit them again 1.5 yrs ago. Since the start of dx in 2003 I was on meds and not too long after that i also started on Dopavite. It's hard to see the difference Dopavite makes while on meds but it certainly makes a difference off meds. I wouldn't be without it and at this point I can tell if i miss a day. But it's not the whole story. I cannot afford physical therapies like massage at the moment, which in the past has been, without a doubt, beneficial.

I also attribute some of my current problems to damage caused by the years on meds when i was basically in starvation mode.

My thoughts on it all right now: I deeply regret ever taking PD meds, they are useless and dangerous. Commitment to nutrition, physical therapies, meditation, tai chi, yoga and so on is without a doubt the way to go. Spend 50% of your day at it if necessary.

My quality of life off meds is infinitely better but i still have a lot of problems with PD, including terrible pain. I don't have to debate with myself about it anymore though. I will not go back on PD meds. Each and every problem i have, i search for a way around it. And I fully believe that eventually I will recover completely. It's all a matter of getting the right practical support. That's what we are all having the big problem with around here. The competition for limited resources.

The pharma industry have the situation stitched up. If a large proportion of those pharma dollars and euros were spent on cooking decent food for people who are unable to do self care, driving them to jobs where necessary, providing an extensive range of physical therapies, suitable housing, retraining for appropriate work etc, many people would probably rehab themselves into a totally different quality of life.

Most people 'get stuck' trying to meet obligations to financial commitments. They cannot take the time out to engage in the extensive work, and i mean 'work', grueling lonely work of body repair. Nor do they realise it is possible because of the unjustifiably negative and self fulfilling prophecy of the description and prognosis that attaches to this dx. The symbolic power of biomedicine and the pharmaceutical industry is overwhelming. I think they have totally screwed up the management of PD. I know it in my heart and head but I still have to grapple with the impact of it on my subconscious.

Muireann

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