poison, vaxxines and dangerous prescriptions and the fda

http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/online/...h/thalid2.html

http://engineering.cua.edu/biomedica...idomide909.jpg

http://tinyurl.com/yphue7


children of thalidomide

we didn't start the fire -excellent video youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pWwUkPOoHM

These examples are lame.... sorry. I know you mean well.

There are many examples of FDA oversight...but thalidomide is not one of them.
The current rules on dispensing thalidomide (which costs about $2000 a month) are so stringent, that pharmacies have to have special ID to even buy it.
It is being used for multiple myeloma and AIDS now and is very very hard to even obtain for extreme patients. He made it sound like it was being ABUSED...which is very far from the reality. The reality is that even patients in need cannot get it properly, because pharmacies cannot get it in time for their treatment regimens. (that is not to say for you or me, that it should NEVER be available.--thalidomide does not cause problems of any kind for males or non-reproductive females!).

It is the DRUG companies that deceive basically.
This guy pulled many weak examples, so I don't think he is really well informed.
I don't think he presented well, or in an articulate fashion. This just weakens the message.

But thank you for the link, it was useful for me.

others were upsetting to me and too many of you guys as well.

I think that you don't understand Tena's intent for this post. MY interpretation of what she is trying to get across is that WE are the real guinea pigs in the FDA's go ahead to introduce ANY drug into society. She focuses on Thalidomide as an example and this begs the reader to extrapolate the message to there own personal use of medications, to become more involved in seeking out information of what exactly it is that doctors prescribe that we put in our bodies.
By early 1967, it was known that only one of the optical isomers was responsible for the teratogenicity of Thalidomide, and indeed it was the biolgically inactive one. Thalidomide was then after it's use was banned ,further studied, resulting in articles like this for example

http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/....082901.104043 and this is just the tip of the iceberg of what can be gleaned of the biological activity of Thalidomide using just the free stuff that you can get on the net

IN other words she focused on the many years that it takes a drug, to really understand it's full clinical profile in humans. This is pertinent here because we have new drugs coming out, that were pressed hard to sell to us PWP, drugs that we see are having a wide range of negative effects over time. THis brings back an older dopamine agonist Permax, that many PWP were prescribed and over 20 years later it's negatve effects on the human heart valve were finally fleshed out(, i know, bad pun). I got her drift quite easily, as I'm sure many others who read here did too.
And please be nice and don't refer to someone's ideas for posting as being LAME. Tena and several other men and women around here spend a lot of time doing net searches and come up with some really fantastic reading. Calling someone's examples of whatever they post as URL's as being LAME, only reflects badly on the attitude and knowledge and understanding of the responder. Capice, Madame?

I read Tena's posts all the time. I am not having a problem with her.

And for the last 10 yrs I have been a serious critic of drug distribution abuse in this country. Tena edited her post. In the beginning there was only one
link. And I didn't like it...didn't like the presentation of it.

The drug companies basically run the FDA today. I believe it was reported on Frontline that more than 1/2 or more (up to 80% of funding) comes now from drug companies. Drug companies lie and deceive in this country.
Drug salespersons deceive doctors everyday in this country.

In truth, our FDA was at one time respected just because of its stance on thalidomide in the 60's. Canada did not do what our FDA did, and had enormous numbers of deformed babies result--this is still a huge issue there and a political fiasco.

The way drugs are brought to market today is seriously flawed. Upjohn (Halcion), Solvay (Luvox), Lilly (Oraflex,Prozac,Zyprexa,Cymbalta), Abbott (Omniflox), Wyeth-Ayerst (Redux).. All falsified data to get their drugs on the market. Deliberate falsification of data!

Other drugs had warnings come up during post marketing, and either these were ignored by doctors, or ignored by the drug companies, and resulted in removal. Duract, Vioxx, Propulsid all had warning letters sent to doctors who ignored them.

Then there are ghostwriters who promote a drug and pay doctors to just put their names on papers.

Then there are drugs which show during post marketing times that they have serious flaws/issues.

I could go on and on, but here is a website that does so:
http://jeffreydach.com/2007/08/26/pr...y-dach-md.aspx

There are some older drugs too that are dangerous, and the book Worst Pills, Best Pills is a good reference for that. Dr. Sydney Wolfe MD is a good consumer advocate in this regard.

My comment was directed to Dr. Jensen's YouTube which I thought was more harmful to the cause of safety than helpful.

Dear Mrs.D,

My dearest cs and I are best friends, we have suffered together in spirit from this same horrid disease, yet cs, has a much better I.Q than I , and he has a way of knowing what I meant, because yesterday -
I just had a no brainer...but there aren't many doctors -that are willing to stand up and say no to the pHarma industry, and the FDA says one thing, and then the TV allows the overload of brainwashing pHarma ads to play
24/7

cs is my true friend - in reality outside of the internet he has helped me.

so he knows my heart's intention, and dear Mrs. D, it is very hard for" us - PD patients" to type some days or breathe, or laugh even -to keep this disease at bay is soooooooooo hard, our forum is discussing an "in memory post"
for those who have died from PD.

so thank you for pointing out -the site with your post, Mrs. D. -

I know one the FDA is mostly of no value. They give us alot of bad drugs and poison,
however some of the drugs are necessary for PD patients, until a cure may be found.

The FDA should be at blame for deaths from Aspertame through Mirapex, MSG, Thalidomide, Thimersol , and Vioxx,etc.
mainly because big money is the root of the evil stamp of approval.

thank you!

Did you know that one can pay the FDA a large chunk of cash to "expedite" the approval of your latest pill? I'm sure that doesn't influence anything...

<Excerpt>
"By Gardner Harris, New York Times
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/fdast...s06dec04.shtml
December 6, 2004

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/06/health/06fda.html?th

When federal drug officials suspected in 1992 that a popular allergy pill might cause heart problems, they turned to their own scientists. Their trial confirmed the danger, and the drug was pulled from the market. Eight years later, similar worries surrounded the arthritis pill Vioxx. But by then, the Food and Drug Administration had shifted gears, slashing its laboratories and network of independent drug safety experts in favor of hiring more people to approve drugs, changes that arose under an unusual agreement that has left the agency increasingly reliant on and bound by drug company money. Discovering Vioxx's dangers would take four more years.

That delay has led to a firestorm of criticism. Members of Congress, an internal F.D.A. whistleblower and prominent medical journals have said the agency is incapable of uncovering the perils of drugs that have been approved and are in wide distribution. Some have accused it of being cozy with drug makers.

Dozens of former and current F.D.A. officials, outside scientists and advocates for patients say the agency's efforts to monitor the ill effects of drugs that are on the market are a shadow of what they should be because the White House and Congress forced a marriage between the agency and industry years ago for the rich dowry that industry offered.

Under the 1992 agreement, the industry promised to give the agency millions - in the 2003 fiscal year, $200 million - but only if the agency spent a specified level of money on new drug approvals.

As Congressional support sank since then, the agency has cut everything else but new drug reviews. In the past 11 years, spending on the reviews has increased to more than four-fifths of the budget of the agency's drug center from about half.

Among the priorities that took the worst hit was ensuring the safety of the drugs that patients are already taking. Drug companies test their products in people before they are approved, but sometimes potentially serious problems arise only when they are being used by millions of people. The F.D.A. has never been able to require drug makers to undertake new safety tests once a drug is approved, so tracking the safety of drugs already on the market is the agency's responsibility."

...a book that I read quite some time ago written by Kevin Trudeau..."Natural Cures 'THEY' Don't Want You to Know About". The more I read, the more I seethed...and, as Kevin reiterates throughout his book, "It's all about the money"! Drug companies and the FDA working together to "feed their coffers" with little or no thought to the needs of the consumer. I have asked myself the question: "Why would drug companies have a real interest in finding a cure for PD when that would impact on their drug sales...a cure, not drugs. As mrsd stated: "The drug companies basically run the FDA today"...exactly as Kevin Trudeau describes it in his book. Of course, there are those who have done all in their power to silence and discredit Mr. Trudeau even describing him as a "scammer"...and he has been described as the "scourge of the Federal Trade Commission". He, himself, describes what he has had to endure in order to continue his "rant" against the drug companies and their "buddies", e.g, the FDA and the FTC...to bring to the public's attention the greed that exists at the expense of the consumer...the patient. If you haven't read this book, I would recommend it, i.e., if you don't mind having a "hissy fit" when you read it! I think I always knew what was going on with all this, but had never really seen it in print...just thought it might be of interest to others as it was for me.

Therese

OVERDOSED IN AMERICA
by Dr. John Abramson


a synopsis of the book-
however this is someones outline of what they may have gleaned
better to read it for yourself


We all know that health care and prescription drug costs are skyrocketing, but few doubt the excellence of American medicine. John Abramson, M.D., an award-winning family doctor on the clinical faculty at Harvard Medical School, reveals, in the same clear language that he used with his patients, how the corporate takeover of clinical research and medical practice is compromising Americans' health. You -- and your doctor -- will be stunned by his findings.

For twenty years, Dr. Abramson cared for patients of all ages in a small town north of Boston. But increasingly his role as family doctor was undermined as pressure mounted to use the latest drugs and high-tech solutions for nearly every problem. Drawing on his background in statistics and health policy research, he began to investigate the radical changes that were quietly taking place in American medicine.

At the heart of the crisis, he found, lies the changed purpose of medical knowledge -- from seeking to optimize health to searching for the greatest profits. The lack of transparency that has become normal in commercially sponsored medical research now taints the scientific evidence published in even our most prestigious medical journals. And unlike the recent scandals in other industries that robbed Americans of money and jobs, this one is undermining our health.

The hormone replacement debacle, it turns out, is not an isolated case. The same kind of commercial distortion now pervades the information that doctors rely upon to guide the prevention and treatment of common health problems, from heart disease to stroke, osteoporosis, diabetes, and osteoarthritis.

The good news, as Dr. Abramson explains, is that the real scientific evidence shows that many of the things that you can do to protect and preserve your own health are far more effective than what the drug companies' top-selling products can do for you -- which is why the drug companies work so hard to keep this information under wraps.

In what is sure to be one of the most important and eye-opening books you or your doctor will ever read, John Abramson offers conclusive evidence that American medicine has broken its promise to best improve our health and is squandering more than $500 billion each year in the process.

Isn't it time to learn the facts, discuss these issues with your doctor, and reclaim the good health and medical care that all Americans deserve?

Critical Praise



"Some of the nation's worst drug dealers aren't peddling on the street corners, they're occupying corporate suites. Overdosed America reveals the greed and corruption that drive health care costs skyward and now threatens the public health. Before you see a doctor, you should read this book." - Eric Schlosser, author of Fast Food Nation

"I have taught with Dr. Abramson for several years; he is a superb family doctor, researcher, and communicator. In Overdosed America he uses these skills to present a clear explanation of how American medicine has gone astray. The book is a must-read for patients and doctors� concerned about health and the quality of medical care."-- Herbert Benson, M.D., author of The Relaxation Response and The Breakout Principle

"Overdosed America fulfills all of the criteria for high quality in health services: the right diagnosis and the right prescription at the right time. It is required reading for everyone: Americans will learn about the perverse incentives in their health care system, and those abroad will learn of the perils of importing what the United States is now trying to sell them." -- Barbara Starfield, M.D., MPH, University Distinguished Professor, Johns Hopkins University & Medical Institutions

"Most Americans assume that the scientific information provided to patients and physicians is accurate, that clinical practice is guided by science, and that as a result more medical care means better medical care. Overdosed America provides a compelling and well-documented analysis of why each of these assumptions is wrong. It is a book every American should read." -- Elliott Fisher, M.D., MPH, Professor of Medicine, Dartmouth Medical School

"Reading Overdosed America is an important act of self-care. Not only is this book essential for all those who want to intelligently reclaim responsibility for their own health, but it should be required reading for all health care professionals who are truly committed to their clients' welfare." -- Cheryl Richardson, author of Take Time for Your Life, Life Makeovers and Stand Up for Your Life

"The real story about the drugs we take -- this book should be read by everyone before they pop another pill." -- Susan Love, M.D., MBA

a lot of shocking things that go on in big pharma, but i'm still on the payroll, so it pays to keep my big mouth zippered