Hi all.

I don't want to raise any false hopes but a friend of mine called me today. He has suffered from Idiopathic PN for 7 years. His toes are so weak that he pulled a sheet over his toes once and broke one of them. His PN was so severe that you could not touch his toes or feet because of their sensitivity.

Well!!! he met up with a woman from Russia who got her medical degree in Russia when she was 17. She then came to America and it was too hard to get a medical degree here so she became an herboligist (or herbalist) and massage specialist. She gave my friend some kind of tea blend (to de-toxify his body) first. She told him. "I can't cure you but I can help you to heal yourself". She believes the immune system attacks the nervous system and that we have to SHOCK the systems back into alignment.

So some time ago he began to do a cold/hot therapy that she explained to him. And he explained it to me over the phone. Here is what he does every day , 2 x a day. (Start at 30 seconds the first time) And now he does 10 minutes twice a day.

He takes two containers (big enough to put your feet in). One container has ice cold water and the other container has hot water.

He alternates both feet in each container (starting at 30 seconds initially). He got such GREAT results that he carries buckets of ice up to the bathroom and he does an ICE BUCKET kind of water in one container and hot water in the other container. Now he's up to 10 minutes two times a day.

He said "whatever this is doing to me, I don't know but I am getting the feeling back in my feet and listen to me doing jumping jacks". And I could here him on the other end of the phone and he was doing jumping jacks. He also RAN today. He hasn't done anything like this in 7 years. His pain level was HORRIBLE.

He told me "I feel great". So maybe this SHOCK to the system kind of treatment works. Initially after drinking the tea, he really cleaned out his system so this doctor explained that we have to get the toxins out of our bodies first and then shock our bodies back into sync.


I just wanted to share his success with all of you. I told this to Alan and he said: "Listen, I have a stent, I'm not sticking my feet into any bucket of ice cold water unless I run this by my doctor first". I said'Good enough". So when he goes to his next appointment I'm asking his doctor and if he gives him the go ahead, I hope he tries this.

The russian lady said "I can't heal dead nerves but some nerves just have to be reanimated and that's what shocking them does" (or something to that effect).

And when I tell you that my friend who has had bad neuropathy for 7 years is now a NEW person, believe me. He was in such good spirits today HE DID JUMPING JACKS. Good Lord.

So if anyone has heard of this please advise.

Thanks much

Melody

Wow. I am glad for him.

I don't think I can do that, the thought of even touching hot water.....

Maybe it is good for numbness, but for me, with burning being my chief complaint, this therapy does not sound good for me.

Glad he is doing good with it though.

I find this story interesting.

I knew a gal who went to a holistic MD who then sent her to a Czech woman who did a very strange thing. Told her to bring all her RX bottles with the pills in them. She had the patient lie down,
and close her eyes. Then the Czech woman put one at a time on
the patients prone stomach, and waved her arms around, and chanted in her language, all of them. There were several, more than 5 I believe. In the end, she told the patient, that she detected bad energy from the RX of Dyazide, and that this medication should be stopped!

I really don't know what to think about the above, or your PN acquaintance's Russian treatment.

I do get the impression that being a trained doctor at 17 is not credible. Perhaps she trained for 17 years? And something was lost in the communication of this?

Anyway, in Northern countries, it is common to use a steam bath, hut or shed, then run and jump into a frozen lake or ocean.
This is a cultural thing, and perhaps does affect the way the brain interprets sensory signals. Alot of pain, is perceptual and this occurs in the brain. So all I can think of is that this hot/cold alternating treatment is doing the same thing.

I would be very careful leaving cold on the skin for any length of time however... if a person is diabetic or has a blood disorder with elevated cryoglobulins, tissue damage is possible. The peptides called cryoglobulins, actually solidify in the small blood vessels of the hands and feet or other tissues with cold, and may block circulation enough so that those tissues die...and may lead to gangrene eventually.
Type in cryoglobulinemia into Google images for some sobering photos.

Mel...do you know how LONG this fellow has been doing this treatment?

Also what was in the "tea"? I'd be really careful taking any herbal thing without investigating its contents, and researching those. Was this toxin cleanse....just a big laxative? Often placebo treatments historically were only laxatives. Doctors gave them to just about everyone, even small children. I'm personally researching old remedies lately, and laxatives were given for even upper respiratory viruses. The vast majority of old products were simply laxatives! Purging was a very common and longstanding "treatment". Today this practice has a new name, a modern name= cleansing. People have died using "cleansing" teas, in fact. They can cause a significant loss of potassium from the body. Enough to cause the heart to stop in some people.

Here is one link with other questionable cures:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/lif...l-quackery.htm
There are many such links on the net today, many with language not suitable for NeuroTalk.

1 month ago I went to see a Russian lady here in Sydney who was also a doctor in her country but practicing as a masseuse here in Sydney because her qualifications did not carry across. Anyways she told me I had to alternate hot/cold in the shower to shock my system to recover from whatever I have. She also felt all my organs externally(apparently they all have a vibration) and said I need to detox my colon. I had to start consuming large amounts of lemons for this. I didn't know what to think about this lady. She had a certain mystique to her and maybe this added to the curative aspect of her treatment. She looked at me as if she knew me, it's hard to explain this. It was as if she knew more about me than what I had told her.(creepy)

I didn't do any of these things yet. The mere thought of a cold shower gives me the chills. I am very sensitive to cold. Anyways I just think its beyond funny thati had such a similar experience.

Aussie

Or could it be a very complex "con"? Like they all know each
other and communicate etc?

Look up Cold Reading.... it is a trick that "psychics" use.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading

This made me laugh so hard!! A complex con! Yes I felt like I was being conned. My Russian lady also talked to me about my chakras and told me that there is blockages in them. When I hear the words 'chakra healing', I start getting that glazed look in my eyes.

Hi Aussie:

I think my friend has been doing this for over one week now. He started, not with ice baths in the container, but with cool water in one and warm water in the other. He immediately felt better after one day so he threw in the ice in the cold water bucket. He also made the other bucket a bit hotter. The day he knew this was working was when he climbed into bed, pulled the sheet over his toes and he FELT his feet. He also said "Oh, there's something in my shoe". He then said "how the heck do I know something is in my shoe, when I can never feel my feet?" He was starting to get his feeling back. And in the past he could NEVER have anyone touch his toes. He has gone to this lady two times now. The second time she PULLED his toes, one by one. He was in no pain. As for the tea, she makes various blends for various people and she asked them "how are your bowel movements". One person (this story was told to my friend". One person told the russian lady "I never go to the bathroom" The russian lady said "I'm going to add something to your tea blend". I would imagine it's some kind of herbal laxative? maybe Senna??.

All I can tell you is that my friend is now a completely different human being. He was SO excited doing jumping jacks while on the phone with me. He put the phone down, put it on speaker and said "Listen to me doing Jumping Jacks'. I said 'Holy Cow".

So (and I really do believe this) what did we all do before drugs were invented? How did people survive the conditions that they had?

I make my own colloidal silver. Been doing this for 5 years now. Haven't had so much as a cold or anything. And you all know that I sprout and do microgreens. So for me, this is great.

I wonder if doing the ice and hot thing would help my osteoarthritis? lol

I just might give it a whirl.

And my friend (who is now a happy man), well, his feet burned all the time. And were touch sensitive. That is not the case any more.

Will update more as I hear it.

Melody

I do not disregard this out of hand. There are MANY alternative things God has provided for us to aid us in healing. Just because it is not main stream medical does not mean it cant work.

I believe my chi machine works. I believe in a lot of alternative stuff. My twin boys needed a drastic surgery according to doctors, and I found an alternative healing dr, my family loaded up a van and drove to new york and everyone thought we were stupid. No, not stupid. Trusted my instincts that God lead me to this man and believed.

The power of our mind/belief in not only a biblical/spiritual tool, it's real and effects us in unbelievable ways.

I have done many unconventional things, some work, some do not. I will never throw something out because it sounds stupid or unconventional.

I am so glad this has worked for your friend, and I hope it works for you. Please let me know if you do this and how it works for you. Stranger things can and have happened. My boys are a living, miracle, testament to alternative therapy.

p.s. I have my own hand made collidal silver machine also!!! It scares the crap out of many people who see it cuz it is so rustic. I love it.

One week eh? Well, I am not impressed. Yet.

There are all sorts of desensitizing treatments for nerve pain.
They are used in RSD rehabilitation. They involve texture touching and exposing the area affected to various stimuli carefully and slowly increasing. And the water baths sound like that, to me.

Also his claim of breaking a toe from a top sheet, doesn't wash with me. Are you sure he is not a SHILL for the Russian lady?
Those "healers" use shills to recruit new people. I think a valid question to him, would be "how much did she charge you?"

I whacked my left big toe into a free standing portable air conditioner unit, this last July (in the middle of the night), and it really hurt, and bled like crazy. It damaged my toenail, which had to be surgically removed, but did not break my toe by any means. And even with my PN issues, I could feel cold air on the exposed nail bed for over a week, and the debriding at the next week office checkup hurt, surprisingly much. I kept it covered for a month... because of that sensitivity. I had x-rays, and no broken toe.

So breaking a toe with a cover sheet in bed? One would have to have serious osteoporosis to have that happen.

So if this guy was in such terrible shape, did he limp...or use a cane or walking aids, before? See if you don't call HIM, and he calls YOU, within the next 6mos...listen carefully. If he is a shill he will be contacting you again.

They didn't—they suffered and died.

Advances in medicine are why we now live ~twice as long on average as people did only 100 years ago.

Doc