[AintSoBad]

Along with the Deaths of Farrah Fawcett, Ed McMahon, Michael Jackson, too, will be missed by many.

That's not what I'm writing for.
I'm writing because the dirt is really gonna hit the fan (possibly), when his autopsy results come in.

It's going to cast a pale over all of us, who take strong medication for pain control.
The sad thing is, that "Perception, becomes truth".

Our friends and families will give us the "eye", and worse, pressure will be put on congress, to pass more restrictive laws!

I was never a big MJ fan. Didn't dislike him, but, didn't buy his music.
But, this kind of tragedy, along with Elvis, is Just what we don't need.
His doctor(s) should have been taking blood tests.

(This is NOT a rant against the Man, M.J., it is only situational, and his doctors should have to answer, Not Us! Who use our meds responsibly!)
The Media in this country is Crazed, anything for a story. They should let this rest, with Michael!

Pete
asb

[dreambeliever128]

I really don't think we can be compared to him due to the money he had to get a personal Dr. that lived with him and gave him these meds. It was moraphine and diludid along with many othere.

I was thinking about him last night. They say he was in a lot of pain due to injuries he had. I was wondering if he had RSD and just wasn't diagnosed with it.

He had been burned in the Coke commercial in 84, then he hurt his back and then fell off of the stage. They said he was still in pain from all of these things.

I looked at his hand when he held it up and it was mottled, red and white. He went into seclusion, which is how a lot of us live with RSD. IF not seclusion we at least keep to ourselves a lot.

This was just something that crossed my mind.

I liked some of his music and it's sad that he died this way.

Ada

[ali12]

Hi Pete,

I was thinking the same thing earlier also however like Ada, I don't think people will really be able to compare us due to who he is and the ammount of money he recieved. We are 'normal' people and aren't in the spotlight like Michael Jackson was so I think it would be pretty hard for people to judge us because of that (I hope it will be anyhow).

It's a real shame to hear of Michael Jacksons death and really brings it home to you that some of the medications we are on for pain could cause serious harm if not closely monitored. I know my doctor is also really careful about prescribing me any strong pain meds, especially because of my age.

I didn't really like Michael Jackson however liked some of his music - especially his later ones. My mum and dad used to listen to him quite a lot. I think you really have to seperate his music and him hiself though - his music is really good though I don't agree with the lot of the choices he made.

I hope they find out what was wrong with him and why he passed away. It's so sad he died at such a young age.

[mrsD]

While it seems voyeuristic to dwell on this medication issue, I do think it is important to many people in the country, who may profit from this tragedy.

The lists of drugs that can cause sudden death, grows by the hour.

This website grew from post marketing reports by doctors and hospitals about drugs that are problematic when used together or when people become low in electrolytes or dehydrated:

http://www.azcert.org/

All doctors should know this information. But still as I type, many do not.

People using opiates for pain, NEED to understand exactly what can happen to them if they add in other drugs for other things.

Obviously those who think using opiates is a "moral" issue will be jumping on this situation first. But really the information that comes out of this sudden death, can probably generalize to the rest of the patients in this country using any drugs long term. This is the only way we learn, and perhaps save some lives for the future!

Misapplication of drugs of any kind, is the 4 th leading cause of death in America. The general public would be horrified to learn how much we DON'T know about common drugs your doctor may prescribe for you at any time!

I for one am waiting for the autopsy results. We will all have much to learn if they tell us what the results are. This is not to point fingers, but to save others in the future!

[bobber]

pain meds are hard on the heart and are addicts dream,,,,,,our bodies are always wanting thst eurphoric feeling,,then youll up the dose to get there,,i cant because i have a allergic reaction to pain meds,,,,,,10mg percocet gives me shallow breathing,,,Gods way of keeping me straight i guess,,,he knows me,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,bobber

[eponabri]

I was thinking the same thing. But until someone comes up with a better way to deal with my chronic pain, I'm going to have stick with medication.

[mrsD]

Originally Posted by eponabri

I was thinking the same thing. But until someone comes up with a better way to deal with my chronic pain, I'm going to have stick with medication.

If you have to have medication....there are ways to do so safely.

The tragedy with MJ is that his doctors gave him whatever he wanted!

I am reading he was on two different SSRIs! Paxil AND Zoloft?
That makes no sense.
He was supposedly taking Soma with those Demerol shots!
Not safe either. In fact long term use of Demerol ALONE can kill you. One of the metabolites of it causes seizures.

Mixing drugs has recently been in the media besides MJ.
Heath Ledger --one of his drugs was OTC Unisom!
Anna Nicole Smith's son-- mixed methadone with Lexapro in her hospital room no less and died there.

This is a huge problem in this country. Kids are raiding their parents medicine cabinets for fun. One parent brought me a cigar box with hundreds of pills mixed in it, she found in her child's room. He got it at school and was keeping it for another who was in trouble! The kids have parties and take what they want sort of like a Russian Roulette of drugs--- not even knowing doses or what they are swallowing!

People with chronic pain may go to another doctor for another problem, and be given a drug that may react to what they are using for pain. Check those lists at the site I gave you. Many drugs are added there as reports come in!

It does seem a shame with all our technological advances that we cannot help people with the most common complaint--pain, without messy unwanted effects.

[amb97]

It's so frustrating that pain patients have to be compared to medication "abusers". My body is used to my meds (Hydrocodone 10/325 2 pills 4 times daily, Ultram ,Neurontin, Cymbalta), so I never feel any mental effects- no "high" or even pleasant mental effects. In fact, NOTHING really ever kills my pain, but I'm afraid to ask for anything stronger. I have been offered Methadone, but fear the side effects, so for now, I'll just suck it up and be thankful for the fact that I don't feel the full effects of my pain anymore. I hope that if it turms out that MJ did overdose on pain medications, that the authoritites will treat it as that- an overdose by an individual. Unfortunately, it happens every day. A celebrity being the one who passed away doesn't change the circumstances of the medication use. I think he was a great musician, but he was just a person, and could have made a mistake with his medication. The person, not the medication, caused the problem.

[bobber]

Originally Posted by AintSoBad

Along with the Deaths of Farrah Fawcett, Ed McMahon, Michael Jackson, too, will be missed by many.

That's not what I'm writing for.
I'm writing because the dirt is really gonna hit the fan (possibly), when his autopsy results come in.

It's going to cast a pale over all of us, who take strong medication for pain control.
The sad thing is, that "Perception, becomes truth".

Our friends and families will give us the "eye", and worse, pressure will be put on congress, to pass more restrictive laws!

I was never a big MJ fan. Didn't dislike him, but, didn't buy his music.
But, this kind of tragedy, along with Elvis, is Just what we don't need.
His doctor(s) should have been taking blood tests.

(This is NOT a rant against the Man, M.J., it is only situational, and his doctors should have to answer, Not Us! Who use our meds responsibly!)
The Media in this country is Crazed, anything for a story. They should let this rest, with Michael!

Pete
asb

heypete
I dont think anyone is going to have a problem getting your meds..m.j ,,i think had a dr in his pocket,im not saying he wasnt in pain,butit is addictive,,this i know first hand,,,,i have to discipline myself on them,,the eurphoric feeling is the trigger for anyone,,,we all have to be careful,,but when i walk in {or any of you} into any dr;s office,,my extenal rsd symptoms speak so loud,,i dont have to say a word,,if there is a problem with a dr,and we all have seen bad ones and good ones,,,I'll go to the next guy in the yellow pages,,,,,, you will be fine,,and keep up your faith in which ive seen increasing daily,,,, who knows,,,maybe we will get that remission or better yet,,complete healing,,,,your friend in christ Jesus
boyd p.s for those on this site in hearing range who dont already know,,,pain meds are not only hard on the liver,they are extremilly hard on the heart,,,,,,,

[CRPSbe]

Euphoric feeling? I don't have that with my pain meds.