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Old 09-05-2006, 09:53 AM #1
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http://www.infowars.com/articles/ter...propaganda.htm

they lied to us about wmd and bush got us in ridiculous war

who still beleives all this balderdash?
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Old 09-05-2006, 10:01 AM #2
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New Al Qaeda Video More CIA Black Op Propaganda
Pathetic pretence kept up that "Al Qaeda" is still or ever was a real organized terror outfit and not the creation of deep intelligence.

Steve Watson / Infowars | September 4 2006

The latest cobbled together trash home video to be released and accredited to "Al Qaeda" is yet another piece of scripted propaganda that portrays a desperate attempt to give the impression that the group operates as a cohesive unit.

It is becoming tiresome to have to address these endless videos which are released whenever the Administration is feeling the pressure, something that now seems to be a permanent feature of this government.

As Kurt Nimmo so eloquently puts it, this time the tape features “Azzam the American,” aka Adam Yahiye Gadahn, born Adam Pearlman, and also going by the names Abu Suhayb al-Amriki, Abu Suhayb, and Yihya Majadin Adams (a score card is required to keep track).

“Californian Adam Gadahn, wearing a white robe and turban, introduces the message by calling on Westerners to convert,” reports CNN. “We invite all Americans and believers to Islam, whatever their role and status in Bush and Blair’s world order,” Gahahn declares. “Decide today, because today could be your last day.”

Oh the drama. FEEEEL the force of the Dark Side, you know you want to give in to it, come over to us while you still have a chance.

Gadahn is the perfect turncoat, the proof positive that we are engaged in a global turf war with the terrorists for hearts and minds.

Gadahn, who disappeared from California seven years ago, first appeared unmasked on an al Qaeda tape made public in July of this year. His past is however very sketchy and more than a little suspicious. Could he be an invention of Western intelligence?

Adam Gadahn is in fact the grandson of the late Carl K. Pearlman; a prominent Jewish urologist in Orange County. Carl Pearlman was also a member of the board of directors of the Anti-Defamation League, which was caught spying on Americans for Israel in 1993. This information today also appeared in the Jerusalem post.

The Washington Post has previously reported that “While living with his grandparents in suburban Santa Ana, he made his first trip to the nearby mosque in 1995. He introduced himself as Yahya - the Arabic name for John the Baptist, revered as a great prophet in Islam.”

So what is the grandson of a prominent Jew who lives with his grandfather doing attending a mosque? Furthermore given this context it seems suspicious that he would then assault members of the Mosque and turn to radical Islam, which is what he then did just before disappearing off to Pakistan.

Gadahn / Azzam/ Pearlman is also known for an internet essay “Becoming Muslim”, which, as Los Angeles City Beat Journalist Annette Stark has pointed out, is itself very suspicious:

“On the left, conspiracy theorists – no less energized than their right-wing counterparts – got busy, too. They thought it strange, they said, as if the government stitched the story together from scratch. Some kid who never before posted to the Internet drops a deeply personal revelation onto a USC website, a diatribe that is chock full of anti-government, anti-Christian sentiments, and then pretty much disappears from cyberspace."

It is basically written from a Zionist perspective and not the perspective of the American government in 1995. Remember there was no war on "Islamic Fascism" in 1995.

Another key indicator that Gadahn / Azzam/ Pearlman is in the employ of Western Intelligence comes from a report out of the Orange County Weekly which details how a man named Khalil Deek, a computer expert who attended the same Mosque as Gadahn and later became a "top Al Qaeda deputy", was continually protected by US authorities and allowed to go free on several occasions. Khalil Deek and Adam Gadahn were accused of organizing a terrorist cell in Anaheim in the mid to late nineties.

In the past we have highlighted numerous cases of intrinsic links between the major intelligence agencies and Al Qaeda operatives. Quite a few of these have happened to be Jewish or MOSSAD operatives.

In December 2002 the Executive Intelligence review reported that:

"the Israeli Mossad and other Israeli intelligence services have been involved in a 13-month effort to "recruit" an Israeli-run, phony "al-Qaeda cell" among Palestinians, so that Israel could achieve a frontline position in the U.S. war against terrorism and get a green light for a worldwide "revenge without borders" policy.'

The Sydney Morning Herald also reported :

"The Palestinian Authority arrested a group of collaborators who confessed they were working for Israel, posing as al-Qaeda operatives in the Palestinian territories," said the official, on condition of anonymity."

The AP also reported the operation:

"Early last week, Rashi Abu Sba, head of the preventive security apparatus in Gaza, the equivalent of the Shin Bet, accused the Israeli security service of tricking young Palestinians into conducting missions in the name of Al-Qaida."

MOSSAD has been caught on many occasions infiltrating radical groups to further their own agendas.

There are also many examples of other intelligence agencies using Al Qaeda as a front for their activities.

“Al Qaeda,” formerly a Mujahideen database, began as a CIA-ISI contrivance, with likely more than a little help not only from Mossad, but German intelligence (BND) and NATO, the latter two teaming up during the so-called Kosovo War (see German Intelligence and the CIA supported Al Qaeda sponsored Terrorists in Yugoslavia).

Terror expert John Loftus has previously confirmed this "...back in the late 1990s, the leaders all worked for British intelligence in Kosovo. Believe it or not, British intelligence actually hired some Al-Qaeda guys to help defend the Muslim rights in Albania and in Kosovo. That's when Al-Muhajiroun got started."

We have previously revealed how former MI5 officer David Shayler has alleged, and French intel sources have corroborated, that the MI6 paid a Libyan Al Qaeda cell £100,000 in 1995 to assassinate colonel Qaddafi. The use of the group that has come to be known as "Al Qaeda" as assets by Intelligence services the world over is well documented.

The London Independent also reported 2 days before the London Bombings how MI5 has previously used so called Al Qaeda operatives as informants, allowing them to be left alone as a trade off.

This only came to light when Bisher al-Rawi was captured by the CIA and taken to the detention centre at Guantanamo Bay. The original Independent link has now mysteriously been removed.

John Loftus also spelt out on FOX TV that British Intelligence and the US dept of Justice had protected Haroon Rashid Aswat, the originally cited mastermind of the 7/7 bombings: "Back in 1999 he came to America. The Justice Department wanted to indict him in Seattle because him and his buddy were trying to set up a terrorist training school in Oregon... we've just learned that the headquarters of the US Justice Department ordered the Seattle prosecutors not to touch Aswat... , apparently Aswat was working for British intelligence"

Furthermore, before he was laid out to pasture earlier this year, presumably because it was getting ridiculous the amount of times he had already been reported captured or killed, Musab Al-Zarqawi's role was exaggerated by The Pentagon in order to subtly link Iraq and 9/11 and quell criticism of the war.

Leaked documents even admitted that the Pentagon had concocted fake Al-Zarqawi letters boasting about suicide attacks and leaked them to the New York Times. The same documents directly stated that the false promotion of Al-Zarqawi included marking the the "U.S. Home Audience" as one of the targets of a broader propaganda campaign."

This information is startling and again highlights how Al Qaeda exists as an organized body only where the intelligence services have created, funded and employed it.

What purpose does Azzam the American serve?

Of course the new evil is the Homegrown terrorist. As the recent plots in Britain and before them the London bombings have proven, Al Qaeda is now an ideology. This latest piece of scripted propaganda directly supports that notion. So it works on different levels to reinforce everything that the government is saying about the war on terror, that it is expanding and it is global, being fought on home and foreign soil.

The latest video also comes on the same day as the announcement that the number 2 of "Al Qaeda in Iraq" has been captured, whoever that is.

This latest video again features Ayman al-Zawahiri, the Al Qaeda number 2 - where's the number 1 again?

As we have exhaustedly documented, it is becoming increasingly difficult to use new material of Bin Laden because he has been dead for at least 4 years. Much like the cult sixties TV show The Prisoner, it is clear that number one doesn't actually exist and the power behind this phantom menace will never actually reveal its face.

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INFOWARS: BECAUSE THERE'S A WAR ON FOR YOUR MIND
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Old 09-05-2006, 02:37 PM #3
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Default There may be a war for YOUR mind...

but not mine.

And your war to date has little to do with neurological issues. Please enlighten me as to YOUR particular MEDICAL plight? Do you have a medical condition that compels you to post some of the references you have posted which have no relation at all [but for the very vaguest inferences] to any key medical issue? Please, I really want to know-- as your references imply aspects that would possibly require greater assistance than the non-professionals who are posters can provide you.
Such political extrapolations/expousals are really not comfortable in a place of 'SUPPORT FOR NEUROLOGICAL MEDICAL ISSUES', however mis-quoted.

Respectfully - thank you. - j

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Old 09-05-2006, 04:09 PM #4
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I've known Clouds for many years, and he has just as much right to be here as we do. He's a good man with a big heart. I don't see his post as inappropriate - this forum is called "Social Chat," and it's meant for discussion outside of our illnesses.

Unfortunately, the world around us can exacerbate the symptoms of our neurological illnesses. I have familial amyloidosis, and I'm now permanently disabled. The state of affairs in this country and around the world are deeply troubling to me. I was told 22 years ago that it would be like this, but I never believed it - now I'm watching it all unfold in front of my TV screen.

I can't turn a blind eye (that would be my left, lol) to what's happening in the world because my only child is now involved - serving in the military.

For me, personally, it helps to talk about these issues with friends who understand me and how my illness effects me. When I try to bottle it up, it causes my symptoms to flare. When I'm allowed to talk about what's troubling me, it creates more balance - gives me the strength to cope with my illness.

If what's troubling Clouds is too troubling for you, there are plenty of other threads in which to read/respond - or you can create your own.
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Old 09-05-2006, 05:56 PM #5
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Thanks for sticking up for clouds Kathy. I thought we hashed that bossy crap out on other threads... oh well.

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Oh the drama. FEEEEL the force of the Dark Side, you know you want to give in to it, come over to us while you still have a chance.
LOLOLOL. yep. Imaskeered now!

Kathy, I know exactly how you feel about discussing your beliefs and fears with ppl that understand your condition. We too have seen it coming for years. It certainly has escalated in recent years, where our questioning of the direction the US is going is more mainstream than ever.

I can't imagine the flareups you must go thru over concern for your child. That takes more strength than I have. I'm continually amazed at the remarkable strength of so many here as they live with disease day in and out.

Thank you for your fine example, reminding us all that our lives are more than the sum of our illnesses. There is nothing worse than to be treated like a handicap by those that claim the same. We lack abilities because of our illnesses, but we are live, thinking, feeling human beings.

keep em coming clouds. I LOVE your spunk!
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anyone here who posts on this thread i hope ypu read the whole article because i thought it was worth posting and reading


911 was very disturbing to me and if theyre making up lies it really sucks

i really havent seen any footage of a plane hitting the pentagon or, meaning of the size they said -something seems fishy

but like the jfk case i suppose for decades we wont know the truth
if bush is also doing dumb things like the flu scare then im not falling for it

ignorance isnt bliss

bush hates medical pot and has signed a bill to give 2 years in prison for sending an "annoying"anoynmous email-think of it!! two years for such a miner thing!!

the list of bush follies goes on and on not to mention the phoney computer voting

today i heard airlines pilots will lose pension funds -is that legal?

ok now you can post some good news-if any
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http://www.rense.com/general56/dep.htm

kettle black thing?



Rather than disposing of the radioactive waste, it is shaped into penetrator rods used in the billions of rounds being fired in Iraq and Afghanistan. The radioactive waste from the U.S. nuclear weapons industry has, in effect, been forcibly exported and spread in the environments of Iraq, Afghanistan, the former Yugoslavia, Puerto Rico, and elsewhere.

THE REAL "DIRTY BOMBS"

"A flying rod of solid uranium 18-inches long and three-quarters of an inch in diameter," is what becomes of a DU tank round after it is fired, Rokke said. Because Uranium-238 is pyrophoric, meaning it burns on contact with air, DU rounds are burning as they fly.

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at braintalk1 you couldnt discuss this -it would be" ok join the military if you want and then we may discuss gulf war syndrome in some ambiguous way"

i think its disgusting to be afraid to discuss politics
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Hi Clouds z -

Do you ever go to the pbs forum? There was a pretty neat thread there about Press for 911 Truth... or something like that.

I'll go get the link for you. It's got a video.
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=62110

(Did you watch Path to 911? I know it got pre-airing bad reviews... but I thought it was good.)
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Hi Clouds z,
I just realized that the whole Complaint against the President and others was in that Press for Truth post... I don't know if you saw it...

Here's a link to the complaint:
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic...=445116#445116

I wonder what happened... I wonder if it was dismissed ... or what...

I also didn't know that there were reports of pre-warnings...
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