You know I'll always have that other end of the rope for you Abbie.

Curious wise words dear friend..wise words.


'Out of tragedy springs forth a fountain of hope' author unknown.



Alffe with out that tragic accident Michael had, and my god it was a tragic accident.

The world would never have quite seen the tireless efforts of humanity and love for mankind, that you and your daughter Bizi display almost daily.

This may hurt and it is not supposed too, or done to upset you but just an observation.

An Accident in terms of Health and Safety prevention ...is described as an event likely to occur if risk is not minimised or controlled.
or an event waiting to happen ........................................

Maybe Michael's Tragic Accident was sadly just that an accident................

Your vigil...........and Stoic resolve to prevent other accidents............is born of your trauma and pain..........[a result of an accident your be-loved son had]

David

"An Accident in terms of Health and Safety prevention ...is described as an event likely to occur if risk is not minimised or controlled.
or an event waiting to happen ........................................"

Booze, lottery, and guns....very risky stuff!

David I found great comfort in your post...thank you.

too many words to say...no words to come out...

Oh but when they do come out....such wisdom and compassion!

DMack...I saw a good friend yesterday, her sister, also a friend decided to make the choice to end her life. I can still see her walk into where I worked, always so happy or so she seemed.

One day, she drove to the nearest trash dump and shot herself...I have never judged, I once asked why. I now accept that she could find no other way to solve her troubles...she did not find that tiny sliver glimmer of hope. That was 23 years ago, and her SIL was one of best friends...I was not aware of what happened because I was on vacation. I got back, got the news...and went to the cemetary because it was so unbelievable to me. Recently, a man I've known my whole life ended his...he worked at the funeral home...I now do not read the obituaries anylonger...'will I see another person I know'? My DD's best friend's daughter just took a bottle of pills, she will be fine...but what of next time? I know this teenager, I've spoken with her on several occasions...and hopefully I will see her very soon so I can try to make her understand...death is permanent.

We all make choices but I think there will always linger the questions...why? Was life really that bad?...Did I not matter that they wanted to be here for me? I think I strayed from the topic...but I'm tired and its been very trying the past several weeks.

You all take care and take each minute, that soon will be the end of the day and then the next minute will come and life will go on for those left behind...

Walk a mile in their shoes? How can you force someone to value their life? You can't pick up the paper anymore without reading that someone has succeeded....how many have failed only to try again. ~sigh~

I think you need a hug COK....

I love the way this thread has taken off and letting us discuss things...

I have come to the point in my life where I am looking back and looking forward and seeing what I didn't see before and hoping I will see what I didn't...

I think there will be folks that will see themselves through trials and hold on long enough to NOT do the deed..

I think there will be folks that will NOT see the light at the end of the tunnel even if it would only be just another split second later and it is at THAT moment, that second before that the deed would be sealed..

judgement or not, we ALL make judgements....sometimes, judgements are needed for us to understand and study...but once that judgement is made, it should become UNJUDGEMENTED because we have reached some sort of understanding...

I think Judgement and unjudgement is one of those balances...to become unjudgemental after we learn something, is the key for me...

I get judged a lot based on my TS...people would judge me, I have come to realizing that that doesn't make them a bad person, they just don't understand or may not have seen it...but if I take my time out to explain to them and they are STILL judging, then they are NOT worth my time...those that do, they have learned from their judgements...

I know it is a bit off track here but I tend to think about how we learn and how we don't learn...sometimes, judgements are needed for us to learn..

anyways...I may not be making any sense...my own pain have really magnified lately and I apologize for not being here as of late...

((((everyone))))

glad to see you my friend..sorry about the level of your pain.

It just seems to me that there should be ads...public service announcement about suicide.....like Don't Kill Yourself...Call Someone!

We have them for drugs all the time. Our paper today is full of a 10 yr old boy handing himself in his schools bathroom. Surely it isn't true.

hey Alpho!

like Nik said, I have seen a little bit of public announcement here and there but I wonder if the executives don't want people to see "hey, don't kill yourself" after Everybody Loves Raymond...

It IS so in your face, this suicide thing....

you know what I have heard recently? I overheard two ladies talking about one of their friend's son committed suicide from a long time ago...and I guess their friend was just starting to opening up...

now, I don't eavesdrop but they were right next to me and I was not in a position to move so you know, I ended up listening cause it just came to my ears...LOL

anyways, one of them said to the effect of, "well, I just can't handle her...I can't bare to listen to that...I've got enough SH&T of my own..."

her friend agreed reluctantly...

well, what does one who was not supposed to be eavesdropping say to that.....