I understand that and appreciate a good debate when it's appropriate. But in all honesty, how do we know the facts you represent are the truth as well? Just because we can cite a source doesn't make it true. There are so many facts and ideas out that really in all truth, even those who one would think are accurate can be wrong.

I think the intention of this thread was to just make simple conversation and not fill it with debating facts. Sometimes I think it's best to pull away when it's obvious one is only stating what they experienced at a seminar.

I guess I appreciate simple concepts at this point in my life and not stats or back and forth rhetoric. After 20+ years with Jim having ms there really isn't a stat out there that wouldn't have my foot in it's behind.

Maybe I have become simplistic in my thinking and that's Ok with me. RW is asking for the thread to be closed now and I think that's best.