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Magnesium chloride that is not in a long acting formulation, may be laxative. But it is a form that is readily absorbed. Notice that the product has only 62mg of elemental mag in it. That is not very much, so it might be ok for you. Start one a day or at 2 a day in divided doses with this.

I use the long acting versions of this, and it can still loosen me up.

Many people use magnesium citrate. It also can loosen you up.
Magnesium in citrate form, is used to clean out the bowel in large doses= Citrate of Magnesia -- found in most drug stores.

I get most of my magnesium from foods. 3oz of almonds have 270mg, beans, Edamame beans, yogurt, oatmeal are also fair sources.

Start slowly at one a day, to see how you react. And understand that labels do not always give elemental values. It is the elemental value you use to derive the 200mg/day dose, not the combined weight of the total product.
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Without knowing how much oxide is in this is it worth chancing?


http://www.iherb.com/Magnesium-Caps-...ules/4807?at=0


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Marty... I don't really think so.

Most mixed formulas are primarily oxide...esp when the price is low. I've called places up on their toll free number and they can't even tell me the ratios! So basically I don't recommend mixtures for that reason. There is basically NO REASON to mix them up that way anyway. It just sounds "impressive". Some people react to things like this because they sound important. I think it is a
marketing ploy, myself.
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Hello,
After reading and reviewing my supplements has anyone ever posted a basic recipe of daily supplements to take and where can I find it. Thanks
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I hope you enjoy the wedding. That sounds like a very
important and wonderful day for you!
I was soooooo relieved when my son told me there was not going to be a line per say. It was just the two of them while the parents mingled with the guests. I was really stressing out about this because I would of been sitting. Wish he would of told me this 6 months ago. LOL I would sit until I felt I could stand long enough to talk someone. It was great!

I took this picture myself and was suprised it turned out pretty good
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After reading and reviewing my supplements has anyone ever posted a basic recipe of daily supplements to take and where can I find it. Thanks
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I have been asking this myself. I have been putting one together for myself according to what I have been able to find out and per what the good folks here have been telling me. The one I started with was this one.


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I found the cached archive for the previous sticky on the "drugs used for PN"

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache...&ct=clnk&cd=21

Here is a copy of this list too:
1) OTC--vitamins/nutrient interventions
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Known to help:

B12 at least 1mg (1000mcg) per day (methylcobalamin preferred) but some do better on 5mg.

Thiamine (B1) at least 200mg/day..but some here have used 500mg/day in divided doses. This is inexpensive and benign. Especially useful if you drink, used to drink or have alcoholism genes in the family tree. If you use diuretics for blood pressure, you deplete thiamine so supplements are a must then.

Omega-3 fatty acids... fish oil especially at least 2grm per day, and more if you choose. Help to maintain the myelin of the nerves and support the nerve membranes/action during transmission. Works in conjunction with B12.

Alpha Lipoic acid... this can be found now in the R- version, and can be used in lower doses because the R is more effective. Most ALA therapies use high dose-- and this can be expensive. ALA also can affect blood sugar--lowers it-- so be careful if you are a diabetic on medication.

Acetyl-l-carnitine is also useful...but large doses of a gram a day or more may be needed. This is expensive as well.

Inositol is newly being looked at specifically for diabetic neuropathies. Diabetics lose alot of this B-relative thru the urine for some unknown reason, and supplementing with it restores lost functions. You need at least 1gram a day--but this is inexpensive --if purchased from iherb in powder form-- mixes tastelessly into juice. D-chiro-inositol is being trialed as a drug to patent for this purpose, presently.

Support nutrients:

P5P--pyridoxal-5-phospate is the active form of B6 and helps with nerve issues and supports B12 metabolism-- 50mg/day typical

Folic acid or the new methylfolate-- Ditto 800mcg/day typical

Magnesium--- for those with poor diets who do not get this valuable mineral from foods-- and who are depleted by certain drugs like hormones, diuretics, some antibiotics and hormone replacement therapies. 200-300mg of elemental magnesium per day typical.

Ancillary supplements:
Chromium to improve carbohydrate metabolism/insulin actions max 200mcg/day

Zinc and selenium to enhance thyroid hormone T4 conversion in tissues.
Zinc=up to 30mg/day selenium max 200mcg/day Some drugs deplete zinc, esp ACE inhibitors used for blood pressure

Antioxidants to quench free radical damage to nerves/fatty tissue--
green tea/yerba mate/ grapeseed extract/ Vits A C and E, curcumin

Bcomplex.... in general the other B's have separate functions, so using them is a good idea. B2 for example activates conversion of pyridoxine in the body if you do not use P5P.
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2) Drugs used:
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Drugs for PN...

AEDs (anti-seizure drugs)
Tegretol/Trileptal both drugs are cousins and similar in action
Dilantin (phenytoin)
Topamax --hard to tolerate
Zonegran
Lamictal
Neurontin/Lyrica
Keppra
Gabatril


Prescription Vitamin preparations

Mentax (the newest and best--- methylfolate, P5P, and methylcobalamin)
Folgard RX


Antidepressants

Elavil (amitriptyline)-- a tricyclic
Pamelor (nortriptyline)-- a tricyclic
Prozac, Lexapro, Celexa, Zoloft, Paxil --- SSRIs
Effexor, Cymbalta -- some norepinephrine reuptake actions
Desyrel (trazadone) mostly for sleep issues

Opiates
Oxycodone (Oxycontin,Percocet)
Morphine (Avinza, MsContin, Kadian)
Duragesic patches (fentanyl)
Vicodin, Lortab Norco (hydrocodone with tylenol)
Codeine (Tylenol with Codeine)
Methadone
Dilaudid (hydromorphone)

NonOpiates
Darvon/Darvocet
Talwin/Talacen
NSAIDs (Ibuprofen, naproxen, Celebrex, Indocin)
Tylenol
Ultram (tramadol)
AlkaSeltzer (with aspirin)

Anti-diabetic drugs for insulin resistance or type II diabetes

Metformin (Glucophage)
Actos
Avandia
Glypizide
Glyburide
Prandin

Benzodiazepines (AntiAnxiety/muscle relaxant)

Klonopin (clonazepam)
Xanax (alprazolam)
Ativan (lorazepam)
Valium (diazepam) Valium and Klonopin are the most commonly used for muscle issues/ and also have some anti-seizure effects

Topical agents

Lidoderm patches-- these are very nice if placed properly
Lidocaine ointment
Emla cream (now called LMX 5%)
compounded ointments with Ketamine/clonidine/ketoprofen/gabapentin etc
Biofreeze (this is very cooling, and also anti-inflammatory)
Capsacin cream (most people cannot tolerate the burning from this, but others like it)

Muscle relaxants (non benzo)

Flexeril (cyclobenzaprine)-- most commonly tried
Soma (carisoprol)-- abusable
Robaxin -- old timer not used much anymore
Norflex (orphenadrine)
Skelaxin-- very sedating, and often used for resistant patients who don't respond well
Baclofen (Lioresal)--mostly for spasticity issues

Dopamine agonists (for restless legs/movement disorder)

Mirapex
Sinemet
Requip

Misc:
Stadol nasal-- very abusable
levothyroxine--T4 (for thyroid replacement-- if low), liothyronine (T3)
antihistamines for skin burning (Benadryl/Claritin/Zyrtec/Atarax/Allegra) Benadryl and Claritin are OTC
Singulair (leukotriene B4 antagonist for allergic issues)
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Lanny---remind me of your situation, meds you take etc. I can't remember your details. Do you have diabetes? did you take statins/Cipro, etc ...things like that.

I'll look it over and post to you before I leave for vacation.
Some things work better for somethings than others.
I'd like to save you money as well as get you going, on what may help.
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I'm trying to narrow down what kind of Magnesium I should buy. Any help on these would be greatly appreciated.

(Magnesium Chloride 520 mg, This may be a good one for the money!:) I think this ends up to be 9 cents a pill for 520mg.
http://www.iherb.com/Alta-Health-Mag...ets/10682?at=0

Magnesium Citrate, 250 mg I think this ends up to be .13 cents for 500mg.
http://www.iherb.com/Country-Life-Ma...ets/10345?at=0


Would I be ok going with the Mag Chloride?
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Magnesium chloride that is not in a long acting formulation, may be laxative. But it is a form that is readily absorbed. Notice that the product has only 62mg of elemental mag in it. That is not very much, so it might be ok for you. Start one a day or at 2 a day in divided doses with this.

I use the long acting versions of this, and it can still loosen me up.

Many people use magnesium citrate. It also can loosen you up.
Magnesium in citrate form, is used to clean out the bowel in large doses= Citrate of Magnesia -- found in most drug stores.

I get most of my magnesium from foods. 3oz of almonds have 270mg, beans, Edamame beans, yogurt, oatmeal are also fair sources.

Start slowly at one a day, to see how you react. And understand that labels do not always give elemental values. It is the elemental value you use to derive the 200mg/day dose, not the combined weight of the total product.

I know it's hard to do but I'm trying to keep all these vitamins reasonable Not sure why the mag seems to problematic for me. LOL I would love slow release but can't find anything that's pretty reasonable.



Would these two below be a better choice the the above two??

(630mg of Magnesium Citrate) (.05cents for 250mg) Not sure of the elemental mag in this? I could split up the doses to make it last longer.
http://www.iherb.com/Magnesium-Citra...27-g/1101?at=0


150mg of Malate! (.05cents for 150mg) Not as big a dose.
http://www.iherb.com/Magnesium-Malat...blets/692?at=0[/quote]How does the elemental factor work?? If it says 520mg but only 63mg elemental what happens to the rest? (457mg's)??
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Lanny---remind me of your situation, meds you take etc. I can't remember your details. Do you have diabetes? did you take statins/Cipro, etc ...things like that.

I'll look it over and post to you before I leave for vacation.
Some things work better for somethings than others.
I'd like to save you money as well as get you going, on what may help.

Vacation! For fun!!!! Have a great time... you need one after all the pestering I've given you.

When you leaving and when you be back if you don't mind me asking? Just so I know your not ignoring me.
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Marty...do you have a WalMart? They sell Mag64 there.
You could get it that way. It is the gentlest version IMO.

This is what the bottle looks like:
http://www.walgreens.com/store/produ...uid=sku2783868

I get mine at Costco. You don't have to be a member to use the pharmacy there. (at my Costco it is $5.15 for a month's supply).
Not all Costcos have the same OTC special items. Call ahead and ask. I see 3 of them in Salt Lake City. The pharmacy can order it for you, with a couple of days wait. In all pharmacies it is behind the counter, but does not need an RX.

Any pharmacy can order this for you...but I can't estimate how much they would charge.

This type of magnesium was called SlowMag...and developed for doctors to use. It has always been OTC but the brand is about $13 to $15 dollars compared to the generic Mag64.

Your wedding pic is wonderful...I get so teary at weddings etc!
The bride and groom are just handsome and lovely. It will be a grand day for you I bet.

Our goal to leave is the end of next week...depending on rain. I will put up a new avatar and picture so everyone will know.
I have no electricity up there, but when we do the laundry I charge stuff up at the laundromat and if the wifi is on next door we can go online briefly. (it is free sponsored by the tourist center). But sometimes it is "down" and then I am out of luck. We do charge our
laptop for the camera photos and my MP3 this way too while the clothes are washing. I have a 1 hr super fast battery charger too.
The plugs were put in there for ironing I think, but we just charge up all our electronics instead! LOL
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