if i was your alj you would have me convinced. good luck with your hearing, i hope you are successful and get the ssdi and medicare that you worked and paid for.

Ok, I have tried and tried to no avail to to "discuss" things with you ** I am done. I did read your post, excuse me for maybe forgetting some of it. **

I am a very compassionate person and **I have been through enough in my short 41 years, to know that 1. I will not be a victim 2. I have to advocate for myself and 3. When people offer help,advice or otherwise, I will accept/decline it graciously whether I agree or not!!

I do wish you a healthy successful journey because that is the kind of person I am. Goodbye.

just a gentle reminder of our forum guidelines related to posting
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/showthread.php?t=1293
specifically
and
Sometimes it is best just not to reply if we feel we are not able to communicate well with another member. Better no response than one which can come across as "flaming"

thanks to everyone for your co-operation

Peace must rule on this forum. Allow yourselves some space to allow your souls to heal. We are all fragile, in what we express, and how we come across to each other. when ever in doubt, whenever you feel an negative vibe from someone, take a deep breath, and relax. We are to be here for positive support, we all hurt in some way. Allow peace to come into your hearts, even if someone upsets us. We can and should rise above it for the sake of all here. I care about each soul who visits this site. Let peace rule and spread thoughout the world. I am a real throw back the 60's and I still feel that same message. ginnie

I feel for you, I know how hard things are, there is so much red tape, having to document everything. Plus, just because someone is a therapist, doesn't mean they have high morals or values. Or that they may even be jealous that you own a house. I think the government is making it very hard for people to collect disability because it saves them lots of money. You could mention to a doctor that sometimes you hear voices. My daughter's friend, let's call her Jane, was asked by the hospital if she heard voices. She said to the person doing the intake "You're just jealous you can't hear them." They locked her up for observation for the entire weekend. Just keep plugging away and get the right documentation. Your right you need a doctor not a therapist to diagnosis you. Food for thought, I came across these boards cause I figured out I have celiac disease. It has wrecked havoc with my life, horrible depression, cancer, seizures and now I can't have milk! So I went to a gastroenterologist, and wanted to be tested for the disease before I stopped eating wheat,and gluten. He wouldn't test me, instead prescribed medicine to mask my stomach issues.
Seems the heartburn I was getting can cause cancer, but hey I stopped eating wheat and the heartburn went away...but it was causing all kinds of mental distress. I went to a Tibetan doctor and I feel better. I would love to be working but this has been hell, eating myself sick. I think that a lot of mental illness is from reactions to things we eat. Plus, thyroid disease, sleep apnea and the stress being sick has on a person.
Good Luck

Hi, Once someone is past their insured date, even if they didn't know about it, it's next to impossible to win their case. Remember way back when my insured date was here, there was no internet. I'm practically 20 yrs. older than you. Anyway, once a person is past the insured date they have to prove they were disabled before this date. Regardless of what situation I am in now, and it is worse, none of that is considered because it still keeps going back to proving before the date. Even with three doctors stating I have been disabled long before this date, I was still denied at my hearing.

It took me a long, long time to figure out rules like this, so there would be no way you or the regular person applying for social security would run into this problem. Be grateful; I feel it is very unfair I already proved I'm disabled and was on SSI for quite sometime. None of that is even considered now. The two therapist I had never mentioned one of the important disabilities I do really have, & just ignored I was already considered disabled before. I guess they really don't think I am, but thank god real doctors do which does at least carry more weight.

It will be next to impossible for me to win this case as I said, I'm lucky I've been given another chance with a hearing. I have to go before the same judge who already turned me down so that's not good. I simply failed to know about the date; I'm glad younger people now can see the commercials and receive statements like I never did before, and the internet to read when & how to do it. The social security office is using this for all its worth to deny me. I'm sorry if I've seemed bitter, but I think anyone here would feel the same way to have been abused like this. I cry all the time how they just threw me off & left me with no insurance, then I was turned down for insurance for pre-exsisting conditions. It's sad how I was treated on this board, it's supposed to be here for support but I didn't get any really. I did from a few people so that was at least nice. I had something else I really wanted to post to notify people a new thing that is happening the social security offfice is now doing to us all, but because of the way I was treated I can't do it now. I don't care to go through more stuff about how awful I am because I was aware of the one therapist games. She wasted a year of my life saying she was behind me with all of this & then deliberately wrote something else to make sure I lost my case. All of this because I requested another counselor who could remember what we'd talked about the week before. I wanted to warn people to be careful, some therapist will lie and then write something else just because they feel like it.

I am sorry your claim was denied. I had no health insurance either, and I do have some idea of what you are going through. I was unable to get insurance because of pre-existing conditions. when I did fall apart, my folks tried to protect me. It didn't work. I lost all that two generations saved for.
Life is definately not fair at times. It happens at random, and it doens't always turn out OK. I went into poverty too zevan over my health issues. I hope you will keep on fighting. I will also pray that the judge you see will have some compassion for you. Is there anyone in your life that can prove your date of disability? Wish I could help. I will keep you in my prayers. ginnie

SSA currently and for about the last 8 or 10 years has a specific policy that all SSI recipients who have even a single year of miniscule wages are required to file for SSDI benefits. And yes, they will be denied for lack of insured status. It is not an unusual situation to be denied for not being disabled as of date last insured and it is explained in the denial notices. People are informed if they file a claim. But it is also true that before the Social Security Statements were issued, this information was harder to find out, but it was never impossible for someone looking for answers. But that is true of everything recorded before the Internet Era or the Information Age, whatever you want to call what we are in now.

You are right that it can be very very hard to prove that a disability began 10, 20, 30 years before application. Existing medical records go into storage or get destroyed. Or, doctors keep sketchy notes because they aren't concerned with proving that you are disabled some day, they are concerned with improving your health. I also think that one of the downsides of the Internet Era is that electronic records can be altered by clever people and that with no paper backup records, and it is hard to find someone capable of following through figuring out what happened. How often have you heard someone say, that the information is here in the computer so it must be right? And yet I know it is not always right, but I have nothing but my memory to back me up.

Hi, Yes I have 3 doctors verifying I was disabled before my last insured date. My postings have been so long it looks like the majority of people haven't seen me type this over and over. I was still denied at my hearing, the judge has a very high rating over not approving people. I don't think it has anything to do with the 3 docs; many times people are turned down because of the judge & only because of the judge. Many mistakes were made by her, and thank god the appeals board saw these things & are giving me a 2nd chance.

It really has been so frustrating getting on to this site, as you can see even by the last postings and others, everyone is assuming I can't get a hold of records from years ago. AGAIN I HAVE RECORDS!!! PLEASE PAY ATTENTION AND DON'T WRITE AND TELL ME HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO GET MY RECORDS WHEN I HAVE THEM! This is not true statements & is only something people are assuming. I know you haven't done this to me & I appreciate it so much.

People are denied when they have everything, please people don't assume because someone gets turned down they just don't have everything. Look up how many people are granted a 2nd hearing, NOT MANY BUT I HAVE. I don't recall anyone on here telling me how great it is I am being given another chance. Instead I get stuff of how I must not have all my records. How sad for all the people who refuse to read everything & feel better about themselves to keep telling me that. This site has caused me nothing but tears and frustration. I'm sorry I didn't know about SSDI, but I honestly didn't, so I don't need to be beat up more because I didn't. I'm just told the information was available; really where if I didn't even know what SSDI was to even look?

Zevan, if people are getting confused about your posts then it may be worthwhile to just keep them simple and concise to avoid that.
Most members here do try to offer helpful advice and to be supportive, and when any posts are not kind or helpful, we edit or remove them. But you do need to remember that almost everyone here is having their own problems as well, and so if they don't remember everything you may have said or if they misunderstand your posts, it is most often an unintentional thing.
When I read back over your thread, I see a lot of support and information shared with you.

We wish you all the best as you move forward