Sara, I wish you had known about it too. We began at old BT and there was a wonderful man there who became my "mentor" for lack of a better word.
He fought suicidal thoughts most of his life...died of natural causes in old age but not before teaching a bunch of us new ways to redirect those thoughts.

His words (Pters) are at the top of the forum and he rescued a bunch of us...how I wish those archives were available.

Alffe,

Thank you, Well I know about it now and I'll be sticking around. For me it was at a very low point in my life, but thank goodness my desire to live was stronger than my desire to die. I try different things to battle it when it arises and my heart goes out to all of you who have lost loved ones from suicide. My family means the world to me and I never want to make them suffer because of my actions. So I remind myself everyday what is great and worth living for and it's kept me strong.

Luv to you all.

Sara

Sure Alffe It's Carrie . Nice to meet you!

I wasn't able to come on this weekend, I was sick and DD had cheerleading Sat and Sun. so I just tried to rest inbetween and get some sleep.

I will post the titles and authors tonight they are at home and I'm at work, shhhh.... don't tell , and I want to make sure I get them right.

Hi Carrie! I'm sorry you were sick this weekend. Boy do I understand about cheerleading...two grandaughters in different schools run my daughter ragged driving to and from practice and games..But they love it and it keeps them out of the bars. (just kidding)

I won't tell a soul you're at work... And maybe we should add your list to the top...I look forward to reading it.

I wanted to bump this tread up to remind us to TALK about what we are feeling.

Alffe dear friend
A wise and and thoughtful BUMP...................


Suicide is the loneliest act a human can consider...but it affects so many if acted upon.

if only we talked more it may be prevented, or at least help can be sought and need identified.


David

I have found a safe place to talk and share here. I can't stop talking about it. I won't. To pretend it didn't happen would be a dishonor to those we have lost. I have no shame for what my Dad did. My heart aches for him.

I'm sorry , I know I am raw, but our society just makes me sick sometimes.
What we need more of is empathy and compassion. If everyone could just try to walk that mile in another persons shoes.....to think before they judge........or.......just shut the hell up and stop the poison

I have to say one more thing that is really bugging me of late. Its this whole suicide is a sin. I looked it up with my minister, there is nothing in the Bible that says that. Is it then mans interpetation? I really think little of how man thinks. With that thinking though, putting ones animal down, is that murder?
A person, terminally ill, who refuses treatment, is that self murder too?
No resuscitation orders, no extremes measures orders, are those all murder too?

I keep thinking of my poor aged great uncle. Two years ago, he was dying , there was nothing that could be done. Nothing. He was 91, and had lived such a kind wonderful life. How did he die? "Natural" causes. That is what it is called. But, he was literally starved to death! Food and water were stopped. This is humane? It took him 9 days to die. THIS is acceptable to our society? I say, stop the insanity!

ummmm, thanks in advance for letting me get that off my chest

What are some things a friend can do to help their friend who is depressed and possibly having suicide come to mind? I dont like how it is just automaticly considered an evil topic . I think it is a feeling or emotion and like all emotions and feelings it should be acknowleged and ...talked about. but how can a friend help their friend? how do you bring it up ?
I meen I think if we can talk about that feeling /thought then it is out on the table and can be dealt with and worked through. . . and my friend will know she is cared about. so dose anyone have any ideas or helpfull input? I just know she is really really depressed, and when I was really really depressed and with my horrible face pain I had thought of ending my life. I have gotten pro help and am fine for the most part of corse I get my sad spells but we all do. so please if anyone has some ways I can bring up and talk with my friend PLEASE PLEASE I am all ears and she is someone I care dearly about.
Thanks ahead of time.
Peace BMW
p.s. I didnt even know we had this kind of thread going but I am sure glad I found it!!!

You are a good friend,
I would talk to her in person....
Tell your friend that you care about her....and are worried about her.
Tell her that you realize she is suffering...and you can share what you just said about your pain and your suicidal thoughts. She will probably be relieved to hear you admit this too.
Ask her if she has ever thought about hurting herself.
I thought that maybe the below text might be useful to print out...I don't know.....
Maybe you could go over some of these things with her ahead of time, and then you could even ask her to sign a contract with you that she promises to call you if she is getting into trouble. Others will come along and give you better advice ....hope this doesn't come out wrong.
bizi

Quote:

How can I be prepared for a crisis? Often, crises happen without warning, and the best thing you can do to prepare yourself is to make a crisis-plan list for yourself, a friend, or a family member. This list should be shared with everyone you choose. Briefly describe the kind of help you (or your loved one) would like to receive if you have severe depressive or manic symptoms. Include: Doctor(s)’ name(s) and contact information Contact information of support group and other trusted friends/family members Other health problems and medications Allergies to/intolerance of any medication Insurance or Medicaid information and preferred treatment facilities Things that might trigger an episode, such as life events, travel, physical illness or work stress Warning signs such as talking very fast, paranoia, lack of sleep, slowed down movement, excessive alcohol or drug use Things people can say that are calming and reassuring Things people should do in crisis such as take away car keys and lock up anything dangerous such as weapons and medications Things emergency staff can do, such as explain things, talk slowly, observe personal space, or write things Reasons life is worthwhile and recovery is important How should I talk to a person in crisis? Stay calm. Talk slowly and use reassuring tones. Realize you may have trouble communicating with your loved one. Ask simple questions. Repeat them if necessary, using the same words each time. Don’t take your loved one’s actions or hurtful words personally. Say, “I’m here. I care. I want to help. How can I help you?” Don’t say, “Snap out of it,” “Get over it,” or “Stop acting crazy.” Don’t handle the crisis alone. Call family, friends, neighbors, people from your place of worship or people from a local support group to help you. Don’t threaten to call 911 unless you intend to. When you call 911, police and/or an ambulance are likely to come to your house. This may make your loved one more upset, so use 911 only when you or someone else is in immediate danger.

Thanks bizi I looked at all the links in the stickies above and they have tons of advice for people who are survivors or people who are feeling suicidal but not much info on how a freind can help. I have made my friend promise to call me any time day or night when she is feeling sad and I will go over and be with her. I have shared some of my "times and how my pain was and is.
I have also shared that I was very depressed at one time. but thats is it I didnt really get into my details on the subject. I did not make her sign anything for a promise or anything like that. But Id do know what it is like because i have worn those shoes if you know what I meen?? Can I ask where that info you shared came from is there a web site I can go to??? and that info is very helpful Thanks!
Gotta go but will be back later. Thanks tons Bizi!